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September 30, 2011

State-Sanctioned Murder of U.S. Citizen Anwar al-Awlaki [Video]

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Does anyone see something wrong with a country that openly orders the murder of its own citizen, thereby denying him the right all U.S. citizens have to due process?

This morning news broke that Anwar al-Awlaki, alleged Al Qaeda associate, was killed in a U.S. airstrike. This is an unprecedented scenario, where the U.S. killed one of its own citizens on foreign soil. Reports indicate that this was a joint US/Yemen operation. It is absolutely outrageous that President Barack Obama and his administration deem it acceptable to essentially put a mafia-style hit on a U.S. citizen.
Will we hear people cry out against the the murder of Anwar al-Awlaki (who received no trial) with the same passion as you did Troy Davis, who was actually charged with and convicted of a crime? Thousands of people protested the recent execution of Troy Davis because there were significant questions raised about whether he was truly guilty of murdering a police officer. Davis’ legal team exhausted all legal means to prevent the execution, including appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court. In the end, Davis was put to death in adherence to applicable laws.
Will these same people stand up and rally against the state-sanctioned murder of al-Awlaki under conditions where he was never charged nor received a fair trial, as all citizens have come to expect by law? Al-Awlaki was accused and sentenced to death without so much as a trial, and public outcry on the matter seems doubtful. On the contrary, the mainstream media has already deemed the killing a “good” thing for the War on Terror. President Obama is expected to speak on this incident later this morning.
Join Heit and Chéri for a discussion on the recent murder of alleged Al Qaeda associate, Anwar al-Awlaki in the video below. The official Axiom Amnesia Podcast is coming soon!



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  • becky

    just because the witness says they saw trayvon on top does not mean that trayvon was the one who started the fight. trayvon may very well have been defending himself from a guy that attacked him and it just so happens that trayvon was getting the better of the attacker. i believe thats where GZ gets his self defense claim. GZ started a fight, but was losing, and felt trayvon was going to really hurt him so he decided to kill trayvon. i think that to GZ its self defense, but what it is , is murder because he started the fight to begin with, when he should have just walked away or stayed in his car. 

  • Davetheg28

    Wow another thing is if trayvon went for his gun why would he spread his arms apart after he shot him and said he did so because he thought he had something in his hands just dosent make sence to me.

    • spectr

      The biggest mystery of this case is:

      What happened to and where is Trayvon’s pacifier ?

  • Davetheg28

    The smoking gun in this case is in the documents page 145. if you look at the mock up of the crime scene you will find that the most compelling evidence against George is in that page.just look at the position of martins body and the shell casing number 6 is martins body wile number 8 is gorges shell casing.they even give you where martins head and feet are. now if you look at this mock up and lay on the floor as if you where George, think about where your right hand is now look where the shell casing is. doesn’t mach up. if he shot with his right hand why is his shell on his left side. There’s  only one way this could have happen,

    • Lika564

      You write, “…There’s onlly one way this could happen.” What do you mean? I’m thinking it means George was on top when it happened or someone else shot TM. I looked at the documents and one of the forensics has the gun powder on the back of GZ’s sleeve. He didn’t use a rifle so I don’t see how that could be.

      • michael hairston

        The smoking gun in this case is in the documents page 145. if you look at the mock up of the crime scene you will find that the most compelling evidence against George is in that page.just look at the position of martins body and the shell casing number 6 is martins body wile number 8 is gorges shell casing.they even give you where martins head and feet are. now if you look at this mock up and lay on the floor as if you where George, think about where your right hand is now look where the shell casing is. doesn’t mach up. if he shot with his right hand why is his shell on his left side. There’s  only one way this could have happen,if George was on the bottom when he fired his shot the shell should be on his right Martins left.what i think happened is that George shot martin wile he was able to get on top of martin during the struggle and flipped him over to try to detain him till the police arrived.

      • michael hairston

        Soory I couldn’t fit my statement all in one box

    • spectr

      “There’s only one way this could have happen”

      i know … it’s impossible for a casing to hit something and bounce or be stopped by an arm or clothing, it just has to be the smoking gun … it just has to be !

      (giggling)

    • $3045313

      Too bad the Autopsy has proven you as a liar.

    • Bill Smith2

      The gun may have been angle.. GZ may not have been able to ‘right’ the gun level.. A right casing ejection would then be an up, right into TMs face.. BOINK!

  • Lika564

    On another website, someone stated that Witness 7 is Brandy Green. Witness 4 is Cheryl Brown, Austin McLendon’s mother.

  • Lika564

    Who is Brandy Green and how do either of these witnesses help either side?

    • spectr

      She’s Tracey Martins lover and she’s knocked up with someones kid, who the father is … is any ones guess, she helps the defense.

      • Dillon schroeder

        I understand she was Tracy Martin’s lover but may have also been married to someone else at the time.
        And they did say she was knocked up at the time, so the child should’ve been born by now.
        But don’t know if child is by a husband or if Tracy is baby-daddy & child would’ve been half-brother to Trayvon.

    • ladyloree621

      Brandy Green is Trayvon’s dad girlfriend who lived at the Retreat. He was staying there as a guest.

  • michael hairston

    I’m starting to believe that all these witness seen and heard things at about the same time

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  • clifford715

    How do we know Trayvon ran down the T? These were Zim’s words

    • $3045313

      Did he fly?

      • clifford715

        No

    • terry

      Wrong Clifford – He slow jogged in Trayvons last seen direction for a few seconds, and stopped immediately when the disaptcher told him to. That simple… Please get the facts straight!

      • atoz350

        Those are not the facts. That is simply Zimmerman’s testimony.

      • clifford715

        He didn’t stop immediately. Please listen to the nen call again!

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  • Delores Costa

    I believe Trayvon Martin was completely creeped out by this older man stalking him.. Who knew if this man was a sexual predator? The girl on the phone told him to run.. He ran.. Biggest mistake.. He should have gotten off the phone with her..stayed on the lighted main street and called either his father or the police.. But being 17 years old… he ran.. thinking he could escape from this possible pervert. Zimmerman was so hell bent on not seeing “another” get away.. He was going to get this one. When he caught up to him.. He wanted to detain him…They were now behind houses…He grabbed at him…And Trayvon hit him to get from his hold.. Probably tagged him a good shot …That is when Zimmerman went into total rage..He must have tried to wrestle him down..And the confrontation went ugly. Trayvon fought to get away…Zimmerman was not going to allow him to escape ..too many have already fled.. This was bound to happen sooner or later. If not Trayvon..someone else..Zimmerman’s erratic behavior was escalating.. He had shown a pattern in his history. How unfortunate that it could not have been curbed much sooner…Poor Trayvon..

    • Woody Creed

      Are you trying to tell me, George Zimmerman, could catch Trayvon Martin in a foot race? Was Trayvon not a wide reciever on the football team? If I was the defense, I would enter old game footage, and call former coaches to testify on TM’s 40 speed. If Treyvon was truely scared, and ran home, no way this happens. But that would have damaged his street cred, so he confronted GZ.

      • atoz350

        Would you lead a predator to your home? Didn’t think so.

      • dri1123

        evidence shows he started the altercation. it actually started when he followed him and then got out the car. and again, who would go home with a stranger following them. and gm did take mma for over a year, he was not exactly out of shape

      • clifford715

        Zim was asked for his address and didn’t want to give it out. So why lead someone who is following you to your door?

    • terry

      Wow Delores – And yet the mounds and mounds of evidence completely disagrees with you! Great job on the imagination though! Too bad it’s all fabricated – And demonstrates your complete bias.

  • Chan

    I find it funny that not a single witness mentions that George Zimmerman had any of the injuries to his face and head that he’s claiming he had. Not even the witness who stepped outside. No one saw the blood and bumps? Probably because they were self inflicted after the shooting to try to save his own ass.

    • terry

      What a stupid comment Chan! Your evidence for this? You’re claiming George broke his own nose? Interesting that you completely ignore the indisputable evidence that Trayvons swollen and cracked knuckles were consistent with someone who was punching someone else! Oh, and the eye-witnesses who saw Trayvon “ground and pound” George “MMA Style.” – Yea, let’s just ignore all that and invent conspiracy theory!

      • atoz350

        There was no evidence to support your theory. Trayvon’s autopsy report showed one “abrasion” on his knuckle consistent with scraping concrete or a brick. There were no cracked or swollen knuckles indicating that he was punching anyone.

      • dri1123

        a witness that contradicted him self on the witness stand!! and tm did not have swollen or cracked knuckles. he had a slight cut on his left hand and that was all. and yes this has conspiracy written all over it

  • OTIS SURRATT

    My name was Antonio West. I was the 13-month old child who was shot in the face at point blank range by two black teens, who were attempting to rob my mother, who was also shot.

    I think my murder and my mommy’s wounding made the news for maybe a day, and then disappeared.

    A Grand Jury of my mommy’s peers from Brunswick, Georgia ruled the black teens who murdered me will not face the death penalty… too bad it was me who got the death sentence from my killers instead, because Mommy didn’t have the money they demanded.

    See, my family made the mistake of being white in a 73% non-white neighborhood, but my murder wasn’t ruled a ‘hate crime’.

    Oh, and President Obama didn’t take a single moment to acknowledge my murder. He couldn’t have any children who could possibly look like me – so why should he care?

    I’m one of the youngest murder victims in our great Nation’s history, but the media didn’t care to cover the story of my being killed in cold blood.

    There isn’t a white equivalent of Al Sharpton, because if there was he would be branded a ‘racist’. So no one’s rushing to Brunswick, Georgia to demonstrate and demand ‘justice’ for me. There’s no ‘White Panther’ party, either, to put a bounty on the lives of the two black teens who murdered me.

    I have no voice, I have no representation, and unlike those who shot me in the face while I sat innocently in my stroller – I no longer have my life.

    Isn’t this a great country?

    So while you’re out seeking ‘justice for Trayvon’, please remember to seek ‘justice’ for me. Tell your friends about me, tell you families, get tee-shirts with my face on them, and make the world pay attention, just like you did for Trayvon.

    I won’t hold my breath.

    I don’t have to anymore. VISIT MY PAGE JUSTICE FOR ANTONIO SANTIAGO

    • clifford715

      This was a horrible crime. Thank god there was an arrest.

      • MonicaSimms21

        Just read an article abt this story, gun powder residue was found on parents hands, I dnt remember if mom had gpr, but the father did, daughter doesn’t believe moms story from day 1, something is fishy abt this case, it’s sad but people are suspecting parents may havr dine something to their child…have to find iut more details on this case

  • Word life

    Ok, I cracked it… Zimmerman was with Smith the night of murder. Smith was not working that night… In the police video of Sally port, it’s not Smith bringing zimmerman back, it’s Riamondo. Riamondo goes into that side room & smith walks out 15 seconds later. It was smith fighting with trayvon not zimmerman. Diana smith staged the crime scene.. All the thing smith touched she destroyed evidence. After watching trial it became clear that it wasn’t about zimmerman it was about getting the sanford police dept on that stand….in my opinion trayvon wasn’t dead yet, somebody smothered him with that walmart bag.. That mysterious first aid kit with the tweezers… They used the tweezers to make the impression of stippling on trayvon…

    Just a matter of time….

  • oldsoldierboy

    ZIMMERMAN CASE SOLVED: I studied the timelines in TM case and realize it took a total of approximately 6 minutes and 6 seconds from the time GZ first called the police dispatcher to the first sounds of words and a scuffle. Then I went to gmaps and was able to determine the distance TM walked from where GZ first spotted him on retreat view circle to the spot where he was killed. It came up to approximately 940 feet (313 yards). The distance to twins trees lane 417 feet (139 yards). I then measured out 10 feet and I casually walked it. It took me 4 seconds which comes out to 4/10 of a second per foot. I then multiplied 4/10 by 940 feet and divided it by 60 to figure out the minutes and it came out to 6.26 which equals 6 minutes and 15 seconds. If you add approximately 10 to 15 seconds to the timeline that it would taken for GZ to pullover and call police and you’re literally on the total timeline. According to gmaps distance calculations, GZ killed TM as he was walking home by using a surprise attack. This explains why GZ can’t describe the run. There wasn’t any running by TM. Also, it would have taken TM approximately 2 minutes and 45 seconds to reach the clubhouse where GZ was parked near Twin Trees Lane. Yet 58 seconds into the NEC GZ says TM is “coming towards me”. Really? 2 minutes and 5 seconds into the NEC GZ says “Sh!t he’s running”. TM would still have been 25 to 40 seconds shy of the club house. GZ said in the reenactment video that TM was on the T sidewalk when he ran. Unless TM powerwalked 313 yards in approximately 2 min 15 sec or caught a ride in GZs truck, there’s absolutely no way. One thing I know with 100% certainty is that GZ was at the clubhouse during the entire NEC because clubhouse East Pool Hall video catches someone walking past the east exit door with their flashlight on around the time GZ got out of his truck. That person could only be GZ. GZ NEC lasted 4 minutes and 6 seconds. TM would have walked between 614 to 644 feet by this point which would put him approximately 130 feet east of the first curve on Twin Trees Lane. This is what I believe happens next. GZ ends the NEC after asking the dispatcher to contact him when they get there because he now needed to move. GZ then hurries to his truck and turns onto Twin Trees Ln and passes TM as he’s walking eastward. GZ then parks his truck in front of the T sidewalk and waits for TM to walk by (GZ: He circled my truck and walks into the darkness). TM walks onto the T and GZ gets out of his truck and follows him at a distance. GZ with the benefit of lighting from Retreat View Circle ahead sees TM make a right down the stem of the T and loses sight of him behind the building. GZ then vacates the sidewalk and runs to the NE corner of the building standing next to the row of bushes and looks around the corner. (GZ, it was you. YOU’RE THE ONE WHO CAME OUT OF THE BUSHES). GZ unholsters his gun then runs towards TM. As he runs, he injuries the crown of his head passing under a small tree branch. He then aims his gun at TM and says “What are you doing here”? Startled TM turns around to see GZ standing in front of him with his gun drawn. TM then instinctively punches GZ in the nose and turns to run but stumbles and falls landing on his back. GZ then jumps on top of him and TM begins using his arms to try and fend GZ off. TM then and starts yelling for help as GZ (who needs TM to shut up) starts saying “shut the …. up” “I’m going to kill you”. GZ eventually gets control of TMs arms and shoots him in the chest.
    The timelines: 7:09:34 start of NEC; 7:10:32 Coming towards me; 7:10:56 Coming to check me out; 7:11:39 Shit He’s running; 7:11:46 Opens car door; 7:12:06 TM answers girlfriend incoming call; 7:13:40 GZ NEC ends; 7:15:40 Words & Scuffle; 7:16 TM phone call ends; 7:16:45 Gunshot

    • oldsoldierboy

      Here is extra analysis to support my belief to what I feel happened that night. On recording #4 at around 9:50 Det Serino bluffs Zimmerman saying There’s a possibility that whatever happened is on video tape”. That apparently raised some red flags in Zimmerman’s mind as to what Det Sernio may have seen or will see on the clubhouse security videos. The following are the answers Zimmerman gave later that day at the scene when they questioned him as to where he was at at different points of the NEC (Recording #6)”: At :41 of NEC, GZ: “He’s starring at all the houses and now he’s just starring at me”. Detective: Where are you at right now? GZ: I’m at the clubhouse. At 1:03 of NEC, GZ: “He has his hands in his waste band”. Detective: Where are you at now? GZ: “I think I’m still at the clubhouse. At 1:13 of NEC, GZ:”I believe he’s a black male late teens”. Detective: Have you moved yet? GZ: I don’t think so. At 1:25 of NEC, GZ: “He has something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is”. Detective: Are you still at the clubhouse? GZ: I don’t remember. REALLY? There isn’t but so many places he could be. At 1:46 of NEC, GZ is giving the dispatcher directions. The detective finally forces his hand: You’re definitely not at the clubhouse are you? GZ: No. Detective: Are you all moving? GZ: No, I was PARKED where I could see him. Translation: I’m still at the clubhouse. Better hurry up GZ because after you finish giving the dispatcher directions you got three seconds to drive to the T before you get out of your truck. At 3:20 of NEC, Dispatcher: “What address are you parked in front of? GZ: I don’t know. It’s a cut through. REALLY? If he’s really at the cut through, there are several houses with an address right there in front of him. Instead he resorts to giving out his home address and we know he doesn’t want to do that. These are additional reasons why I believe GZ is not at the T (i.e. cut through) but instead is at the clubhouse. Lastly, even with earphones on, you never hear him put his truck in drive. You never hear the sound of his truck moving. You clearly hear when he opens his door and when his truck beeps warning him that his keys are still in the ignition. This also seems to indicate that he never moved his truck from the clubhouse until after he ends the NEC.

      • oldsoldierboy

        Finally, the thought that TM spent 2 minutes running away from GZ only to turn around an attack him is preposterous. Especially when you consider that TM was still talking on his cell phone. Also ludicrous is the thought that TM ran away from a “scary” GZ as he sat parked in his truck with windows rolled up talking on his cell phone. How many times have you walked past a person sitting parked in their automobile and found the situation so scary that you ran away? Answer: Never. Use your heads and think for once in your lives. I could understand TM running if GZ stepped out of his truck with a Freddie Krueger outfit on complete with bladed nails or if he was leaning out his truck window making verbal threats but this isn’t what happened. My belief is that TM saw GZ’s truck and never gave it a second thought. Besides TM wasn’t on his way home from a burglary or some other crime. He had no reason to run except to cross the street.

  • oldsoldierboy

    TM case solved: To solve this case you first have to step outside the box. Subplot # 1 of 3. A frightened teen running from his creepy stalker and killer looks good on paper towards a conviction but the reality is there’s only 3 possible scenarios.

    1. TM ran and a speedy GZ chased him down and killed him.

    2. TM ran and then came back an attacked GZ even though GZ was to slow to catch him.

    3. TM didn’t run because he had no reason to and never realized he was being followed.

    I’ll take scenario # 3.

    It’s the real reason GZ attacked TM in the dark while holding a working flashlight in his hand (Recording #3 @ 2:50) and (Recording #5 @ 1:38). The element of surprise was still on his side. Clubhouse video also confirmed that somebody flashlight was on as they walked along the east perimeter of the building.

    NEC timeline:

    7:09:34 start of NEC

    7:10:32 He’s coming towards me

    7:10:56 He’s coming to check me out

    7:11:40 He’s running (nobody runs from a man sitting in a parked truck who’s talking on his cell phone with windows rolled up) When is the last time you found this situation scary enough to run from? Answer: never

    7:11:46 GZ opens truck door

    7:12:06 TM answers Jeantel’s incoming call 26 seconds AFTER GZ claimed he was running.

    Question? Why discuss whether or not to run from the creepy K while you’re ALREADY RUNNING from the creepy K. This is the contradiction that seals the case.

    7:13:40 GZ ends NEC

    7:15:40 Words & Scuffle

    7:16:06 TM phone call ends

    7:16:45 Gunshot (GZ head allegedly gets bashed over 50 times in a fight that last 65 seconds)

    Time timeline:

    4:06 – Total time of GZ NE Call

    2:00 – Time lapse between end of NEC and first sounds of confrontation

    0:10 – Estimated time it took GZ to pull over and call the police

    6:16 Total

    Distance timeline:

    940 Ft – Approximate footage TM traveled from point he was first spotted by GZ until the confrontation.

    4/10 of a second per foot. TMs estimated casual walking speed

    940 multiplied by 4/10 divided by 60 seconds equals 6.27 or 6 minutes and 16 seconds

    6:16 Total

    400 Ft – Approximate footage TM traveled to reach the clubhouse.

    2:06 plus 0:10 equals 2:16 or 2.27 multiplied by 60 divided by 4/10 equals 341 Ft (Estimated distance TM traveled when GZ first claimed he’s running.

    4:06 plus 0:10 equals 4:16 or 4.27 multiplied by 60 divided by 4/10 equals 641 Ft (Estimated distance TM traveled by the time GZ ended his NEC).

    Maps, mathmatics, and timelines confirm GZ killed TM as he was walking home by surprise attack. This is the real reason why GZ CAN’T DESCRIBE THE RUN.

    GZ ANSWERS CONFIRM THE TIMELINES: On recording #4 at 9:50 Det Serino bluffs GZ saying “There’s a possibility that whatever happened is on video tape”. This caused GZ to become extremely concerned about what Det Sernio will see on the clubhouse security videos. The following is what you get when you take the original call and merge it with the answers GZ gave later that day when they questioned him as to where he was at at different points of the non emergency call (Recording #6)”:

    At 0:41 GZ: “He’s starring at all the houses”. Detective: Where are you at right now? GZ: I’m at the clubhouse.

    At 1:03 GZ: “He has his hands in his waste band”. Detective: Where are you at now? GZ: “I think I’m still at the clubhouse.

    At 1:13 GZ: “I believe he’s a black male late teens”. Detective: Have you moved yet? GZ: I don’t think so.

    At 1:25 GZ: “He has something in his hands”. Detective: Are you still at the clubhouse? GZ: I don’t remember. REALLY? There isn’t but so many places he could be.

    At 1:46 GZ is giving the dispatcher directions. The detective finally forces his hand: You’re definitely not at the clubhouse are you? GZ: No. Detective: Are you all moving? GZ: No, I was PARKED WHERE I COULD SEE HIM. Translation: I’m still at the clubhouse. Detective: Are you’ll moving slow or something? Yes they are detective. Casual walking speed slow. Better hurry up GZ because after you finish giving the dispatcher directions you got 3 seconds to drive to the T before you get out of your truck.

    At 2:06 GZ: “He’s running”. Problem: GZ told police TM was at the cut through (i.e. T) when he ran. For this to be true TM had to casually walk over 300 yards (3 football fields) in approximately 2 minutes and 16 seconds. Proof that GZ call is a premeditated plot for murder.

    At 3:20 Dispatcher: “What address are you parked in front of? GZ: I don’t know. It’s a cut through. REALLY? If he’s really at the cut through, there are several houses with an address right there in front of him. Instead he commits the forbidden sin of giving out his home address before giving the dispatcher (you guessed it) the clubhouse address.

    This is what happens next. GZ ends the NEC, hurries to his truck, turns onto Twin Trees Ln, and passes TM as he’s walking eastward. GZ then parks his truck in front of the T sidewalk and waits for TM to walk past his truck (GZ: He circled my truck). TM walks onto the T and GZ gets out of his truck and follows him at a distance. GZ with the benefit of lighting from Retreat View Circle ahead sees TM make a right down the stem of the T and loses sight of him behind the building. GZ then vacates the sidewalk and runs to the NE corner of the building standing next to the row of bushes and looks around the corner. GZ it was you. YOU’RE THE ONE WHO CAME OUT OF THE BUSHES.

    to be continued…….

  • Cj2020

    WOW…..Mandy you and read the same report and got 2 different messages….funny how that happens….I read Austens (13 year old) statement and he said the man on bottom was wearing a red shirt…on bottom would imply someone or something was on top…..and where did you see the fighting was in one area and the shooting in another…..George is guilty by every stretch of the imagination so I don’t understand why the facts are continually twisted….it is not necessary.  George’s story adds up just fine that does not mean he was justified to murder someone…

  • Lika564

    GZ supposedly got a nose-breaking punch to the nose at the top of the T and stumbled forward. I know my reaction would be to stumble backwards and if I’m still on my feet, move away.  The “fight” continues some feet down the sidewalk. You bring up the thing that hid from my conscious mind when you stated that “Most criminals or burglars would not take the time to talk to someone. So why didnt george say anything?” That is so true. I was also thinking what did George think he was going to burglarize (if that was his goal) once he knew someone was watching him and chasing him?  I truly can’t understand why so many people support and believe GZ.

  • Ben

    >Could there have been a altercation (fight) and then treyvon is running away and george catches up and shoots.
    Not likely. According to the autopsy, the shot was from the front. So GZ would have had to catch and surpass TM to be able to shoot him from the front.

  • Lika564

    George said he spread his hands out above his head but the police found him with his hands underneath himself. I guess since George is such a retard and supposedly gets a nose-breaking punch to the face but instead of stumbling backwards, especially since it was such a surprise that Trayvon pulled a telekinetic move by being one spot and then the other in a split second, I guess Trayvon supposedly defied physics also and in rigamortis (sp?), his arms drew back underneath him. This is pissing me off again. George’s whole story from the 911 tape on sounds like a rape fantasy to me.

  • Guest

    I thought I saw the photo of Trayvon’s body recently taken by a neighbor with their cell phone and it showed Trayvon face down with his hands under him.

  • g2saint

    He placed him faced down to make it appear TM was on top…

    The biggest question is GZ said he was going straight to get an address and not following TM, but has any noticed how far from the “T” intersection where GZ said he was (not following) to where TM body was found, some 25-30ft form the “T” intersection of the dog trail. I hope and pray the jury picks up on this. google the body location…. not the diagrams, but the actual pictures and you will EASILY see how GZ has lied about following and stalking the boy. This CAN NOT be DISPUTED by any of GZ’s defenders. Count the concrete blocks, approximately 6-7 blocks that are about 4 feet each…. 24-28 feet from where GZ stated he was. HE IS FULL OF IT!

  • Lika564

    in the 911 call, Austen said he saw someone on the ground yelling for help and that he thought the old man (that at least 2 people seem to be terribly concerned about) had hurt himself by falling but his dog got away from him and he followed the dog. He didn’t say he saw anyone on top on the call. After the neighbors talk and piece together what they heard, saw or later knew is what came out in the interviews nearly a month later.

  • mandywhitby

    Yes you are right how we see things different so i went over and re-read and listended to the interviews and unfortuantely you are twisting facts. cj2020 i guess we are reading different things.The 13 year old never said someone was on the bottom, he said he saw a man lying in the grass. So i dont know where you get the kid saying the man on bottom as i just listened to it and he never says that so who is twisting the facts?? He said he thought the man had fell or was hurt as it was wet and the man was yelling for help. The witness 15, never says he saw more than one person. Go re-read and listen to his statement. As for the fighting in one area and the shot in another. If you re-read my comment i said COULD IT BE, I never said witness’s said it was or anything i am merely giving my opinion as to whether there could of been a fight and the shooting in a separate place AS if you listen to ALL the witness statements a couple of them hear running, fighting and yelling, One hears the talking, yelling going along the back of her house which shows it is not in one area but moving which is what i said. Another witness said she heard yelling and yelling agin 10 minutes later.
    So i guess your right we all hear and read what we want to and maybe i am wrong but i just re-read everything and i stand by my comment above. I am not twisting the facts but commenting on what i read and when i state a opinion i write, COULD IT BE or In my opinion as i have for other comments i have written here.

  • Ben

    >GZ supposedly got a nose-breaking punch to the nose at the top of the T and stumbled forward. I know my reaction would be to stumble backwards
    Go watch some boxing highlights on youtube. The direction you fall has a lot more with the direction you are leaning than it does with the direction of the force of the punch. Think about it, Zimmerman weighs over 200 pounds. Is a punch really going to lift him off his feet, cartoon style, and flop him on his back?

  • Lika564

    No, I would not think that he would fly up and back. I also do not believe he stumbled forward unless he was leaning forward as you say – in attack mode in my opinion. He only gives the stumble forward when he realizes that he has to explain fighting at the top of the T and shooting TM and how his body ended up 40′ (?) away, GZ is a liar, the truth isn’t in him and he is evil or was hallucinating from his meds or both.

  • uselogic19

    NO… actually several witnesses saw the hoodied man on top of the other. That would be Mr. Martin on top of Mr. Zimmerman.

  • atoz350

    Zimmerman’s jacket also had a hood. That description is moot.