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October 19, 2011

Episode 003: I Need To Have My Head Examined

The Axiom Amnesia Theory with Heit & Cheri

Join Heit & Cheri for a discussion on the U.S.’s thirst for murder and violence, as illustrated by the Obama Administration’s approach to ‘The War on Terror,’ Libyan bombings, drone strikes, Guantanamo Bay detainment, murder of U.S. citizens, nuclear proliferation and the celebration of Bin Laden’s death.

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Music/Audio Credits:

“FOX Lies!! Irresponsible Media! Barack Obama Pastor Wright” (YouTube.Com/TRINITYCHGO)
“Thanks Ray Ray!” – South Central (Movie)
“Try Not To Cry” – Sami Yusuf feat. Outlandish
Barack Obama on bin Laden: The full “60 Minutes” interview (60 Minutes Overtime)

Sources:

SEGMENT 1 – Obama, Iraq War and Afghan War

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-22/politics/afghanistan.troops.drawdown_1_afghanistan-drawdown-surge-forces-president-barack-obama?_s=PM:POLITICS

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/06/sources-obama-administration-to-drop-troop-levels-in-iraq-to-3000/#ixzz1YYtuuiBk

SEGMENT 2 – Drones, Gitmo Bay, Anwar Al-Awlaki Murder and Wikileaks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan#Civilian_casualties

http://www.npr.org/2011/09/06/140216985/an-open-secret-drone-warfare-in-pakistan

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8695679/168-children-killed-in-drone-strikes-in-Pakistan-since-start-of-campaign.html

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/marinetrng/a/videogame.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

http://www.amnesty.org.au/guantanamo/comments/20054/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/wikileakss-guantanamo-bay-files-the-numbers-and-names-to-know/2011/04/25/AFrXo6hE_blog.html

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/numbers/warlogs/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/24/us-wikileaks-iraq-idUSTRE69L54J20101024

SEGMENT 3 – Libyan Invasion and Nuclear Proliferation

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/31/501364/main20099988.shtml

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/30/501364/main20058730.shtml

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-01/qaddafi-s-son-three-grandchildren-killed-in-nato-strikes.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2011_Libyan_civil_war

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Libyan_civil_war

http://www.ploughshares.org/world-nuclear-stockpile-report

http://news.change.org/stories/guess-how-many-nuclear-weapons-the-united-states-still-has

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-05-12-nukes_N.htm

http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/obama-talks-tough-about-justice-and-bin-laden-10167

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/08/60minutes/main20060876.shtml

 



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  • Back again.

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  • Sista Dez

    Balderdash!

  • Pinklipstick2000

    The dog getting off the leash saved his life. I have NO doubt that if he had went to help Trayvon GZ would have shot him too. 

  • I might be reaching but what I got from the first interview with Serino is that it may have been Trayvon who was being smothered. She was sure she saw a kid on the bottom not a lard-butt man (which Zimmerman was that night).

  • TruthSeeker

    I knew you guys would have these ….amazing.

  • Jill88

    It’s all relevant. It speaks
    to his history of manipulation, harassment, intimidation, violence, and
    sexual harassment or assault. It shows a progression, escalating
    sociopathic type of behavior. What she says is in line with other
    statements from others. It is also in line with things he’s posted or
    said. They want to show he is no angel and has taken every opportunity
    to violate someone or manipulate or harass or intimidate. Soooo who do
    you think started the altercation? Boy walking home from the store on
    his cell phone minding his business or a man with a violent history and
    checkered past. Benjamin Crump said CREDIBILITY IS EVERYTHING. OMara
    said he didn’t want wit#9 statements to be released bec they DAMAGE HIS
    CLIENT’S CREDIBILITY. Credibility is everything.

  • So because George and his cousin played doctor when they were minors, he’s guilty of second degree murder?

  • michael hairston

    Question ? Who was George on the phone with he never mention being on the phone in his reenactment or any statements he made .

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  • judymaryrose

    Why the hell didn’t Jenna Lauer go out side? Or at least look and shout out the window. She could have saved a life. I have never witnessed or heard of such cowardice, and such lack of compassion in a person. She could have saved a life. You “didn’t want to” , really? The dispatcher is asking you to look. “No, I don’t want to”. I hope she is never in a position to be screaming in “desperation” and never knows the feeling of being abandoned and terrified. No one deserves to be treated like that, NO ONE, not even a cowardly worthless woman. Her insensitivity, her selfishness, are truly disgusting. How can she even be in the same room with Mr. Zimmerman and Martin family? Knowing she did NOTHING to help a person SCREAMING IN DESPERATION.. How does she live with herself knowing she helped a boy die?

    • Lika564

      According to Sean, they can’t ask or order you to do anything and that they would SUGGEST that you remain indoors or wherever you are. I want to know what was Jeremy doing since he came back in the house while she was on the call and said, “tell me you’re calling the cops!”; and, “he warned me…(something I can’t make out) and “Heee’s deeadd. He’s dead.” How did he know he was dead if he was not outside to be certain? Jenna said during her testimony that they were in the kitchen and he was going after a knife. But she distinctly says on the call, “get in here” and “get up here” in her 911 call.

  • chambrel

    I worked with this Jenna Lauer and she’s a pathological LIAR and a stalker.

  • Guest

    WOW

  • Js

    George Zimmerman is RACIST! He followed an innocent young black male home for no reason… If he felt there was a problem he should have let the STANFORD POLICE Department do their JOB but INSTEAD he took matter into his own hands!!!! Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman ONLY to defend himself!!!! LETS BE REAL how would you feel if someone was following your ass home or where ever!?! WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
    My natural reaction would be to defend my self….
    RIP TRAYVON MARTIN ✌❤

    • Johnes

      When someone is following you . Ignore them . Avoid contact. Go to your destination. Normal people who follow the law and avoid trouble handle being followed in the above described manner.

  • palinpeople

    She called police 2 days after the killing and weeks before national attention.

  • palinpeople

    So many confused Jesus loving mole station supporting right wingers in here

    • Libertarian Soldier

      Leftists are so f’ed up they don’t know how f’ed up they are. They take centralist, libertarian, constitutionals and call them right wing. Educate yourselves before you call centralists right wing just because they are not left wing.

      You’d have to call the founders, the architects of freedom and liberty’s principles right wingers to call today’s centralist constitutional supporters anything less than centralist.

      By the way, the framers of the Charter and the Compact were considered the left wingers when they were proposing the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

      Got education?

  • Lourenço Damas

    Witness 9 is a big LIAR, and you all can see it if you pay attention. Listen at minute 6:48 where she says second time ws behind the curtains in MY LIVING room… right after that she says. It always happened when we went “UP THERE” – another words to GZ’s house, thus NOT “my living room” … there are other inconsistencies also and I would not be surprised if GZ file a defamation lawsuit against her.

  • GlennTX

    At the 0:34 mark you hear Trayvon screaming in terror, then at the 0:40 mark you hear a calm staged “help” from Zimmerman to plant evidence to justify him executing the kid.

    • Anon

      You are absolutely right. Didn’t notice until I listened, the first help is full of terror, the second is very calm. I believe these people fed up of whatever break-ins (if that is even true) decided to set up any teen and use as an example so to speak to any other criminals. This lady is extremely suspect in my books.

  • a brown

    Listen to Jennifer 911 call and u hear jeremy say “he warned me he going to shoot now how he know all that

  • peonies

    she said she heard someone scream for help 15 times…15? wow…thats what got me…just listening to that child scream for help…and none was given…hurts me

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  • Guest

    ZIMMERMAN’S MINOR INJURY EXPLANATIONS:

    The explanation for Zimmerman’s bloody nose was in plain sight (if you looked closely).

    EMS found NO blood or swelling inside Zimmerman’s nostrils, but capillary bleeding on the exterior. (google: “EMS Report Zimmerman”).

    The cause of bleeding explained:

    . The effects of his own gunshot are branded on the tip of Zimmerman’s nose (and perhaps behind mustache hairs) in the form of gunshot stippling (pinhole-size wounds created by gunshot residue blast). Minor bleeding from these 2 tiny holes flowed in a narrow path down to his lip (as seen in the color-enhanced bloody nose photo taken by a police officer on the scene).

    . Swelling: George’s nose “looks” swollen in the on-site photo, but we all know what happens to the size of the nose when a photographer gets in too close. To better judge, see the police station photos taken that night — there’s marginal swelling (maybe). A police officer noted that Zimmerman’s nose didn’t look broken.

    So how are the existence of the nick on the bridge of Zimmerman’s nose and Zimmerman’s blood on his gun’s grip explained (when Zimmerman had no blood on his hands):

    . Gun recoil (common issue with these handguns — “kicks like a mule”). This explains the stippling as well (the gun has to very close to an object to leave a small amount of intense stippling residue, further away would mean more scattered and microscopic stippling, even further would mean no stippling — think “dispersing”).

    BACK OF HEAD:

    . considering the absence of swelling under the minor abrasions, something poked or scratched Zimmerman’s head (not a single suture was required). I imagine he backed into the leafless branches of the small maple tree located DIRECTLY on the plot of grass. The mass of capillaries located at the skin’s surface of the head explains the bleeding (which apparently didn’t bleed enough to appear on his back collar).

    OTHER INJURIES: None.

    • Guest

      HOW TO EXPLAIN THE DROP OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN’S BLOOD ON TRAYVON’S SHIRT HEM:

      Paid expert Di Maio’s whole “bombshell” testimony was to state that Trayvon Martin had to be on top of Zimmerman because, based on the gunshot wound forensics, Trayvon’s hoodie was pulling away from his body at the time of the gunshot.

      It was, but not because Trayvon Martin was on top leaning over George Zimmerman:

      Zimmerman shot his lethal weapon and receives 2 minor stippling wounds to the tip of his nose which then bleed. A blood drop falls onto the hem of Trayvon’s shirt (which, when upright, would have been under the zipped hoodie). The location of this blood is documented by the DNA Analyst Anthony Gorgone (Stain A on TM’s shirt). For the blood to fall on the exposed hem, Trayvon’s shirt and hoodie would have to be pushed up (bunched in his chest area) as Zimmerman straddled him. Add the can of ice tea in his pocket to the equation and you easily will have fabric being lifted off the site of the gunshot.

      It’s not the first time “paid expert” forensics pathologist Dr. Vincent Di Maio has been accused of tailoring his testimony for those that paid for his services. He testified for the DEFENSES in the Phil Spector and Drew Peterson murder trials.

      Also: Please google “George Zimmerman boots police station photos”. George has grass clippings and water staining up the toes and tops of his boot only -> none on the heels of the boots.

      • gbpuzzler

        While I agree with some of the things that you said, your description doesn’t account for a discrepancy that exists: On both the hoodie and the shirt, the bullet hole is two inches higher than where it would be if they were hanging normally from TM’s body. This could happen only if they were being pulled down or away from his body by the same amount. The hoodie just bunching up wouldn’t do it. Dr. Di Maio’s explanation could work, but only if the hoodie and the shirt were clinging together. What would also cause this is if GZ was pulling on both the hoodie and shirt, or if he was holding on to both while TM was trying to pull away. GZ’s DNA on both confirms that he was probably holding on to them at some point during the incident, and I think that there is some reason to believe that he was doing so at the time that he shot TM. The scenario that you give for the drop of blood might have happened either shortly before this or immediately after the shooting.

  • Herman Payne

    WHY GEORGE ZIMMERMAN WAS ACQUITED

    To: Red Dog #1

    Fox interview with alternative juror was great. He gave an excellent timeline analysis. When TM told Jentel he is safe (ala at her fathers condo) and end the cellphone call (time was logged by phone record) GZ told the police that he will get out of his SUV to see where TM went (that end of the call was also logged by phone record). Both calls ended approximately the same time. When the cops arrived they found the two injured men on the lawn near GZ SUV then near Jentel father’s condo. Alternate juror explained based on location and timeline, Martin chose not to enter condo but turn around to find GZ. In juror mind any attempt to link GZ to manslaughter for initiating events leading to shooting just not possible, because Martin became the initiator. The timeline info and location also leans towards GZ version that TM confronted him as he was returning to his SUV then the DA allegation that GZ was hunting for TM and causing a confrontation.
    In post trial MSM interviews Jentel explain black people do not trust cops, thus will not call them. However, if you think you are followed, you tend to get home if home is in front of you and not go look for the stalker. Remember, Jentel testify that TM lost GZ when he was talking to her. He was not in imminent danger (GZ was nowhere in sight) and once he chose not to go into the condo but turn around to hunt for GZ he is no longer a victim.

    WHY GEORGE WAS SUSPICIOUS OF TRAYVON

    Z told the story of his 2/2/12 NEN call in more detail, and a little more accurately, than he had previously (45/47 of the logs). He called because he saw a black male showing an interest in 1460 Retreat View Cir., which GZ hadn’t mentioned in the earlier interviews. When the police arrived the man had left. The police found all the windows and the garage door open, and the front door unlocked. GZ gave them the owner’s phone number, and they got his consent to enter and secure the house.

    SPD 2/29-1, 7:41-54 Quote:

    Zimmerman: So when I saw him, in the same area, in front of the guy’s house that I know [unintelligible] had been unsecured, and he was looking into the house, I just thought something doesn’t fit right here.

    Media keep saying that Martin was suspicious because he was black and wore a hoodie but that is not what the police interviews show. He was suspicious because he was looking into a house that had been targeted for a burglary two weeks earlier.

    WAS TRAYVON “CASING” THIS HOUSE TO ROB IT?

    A few months earlier a security guard at Trayvon’s school had caught him writing graffiti on school property. When the security guard checked his backpack, he found, photographed, and confiscated household jewelry which had been robbed from a house very close to Trayvon’s school.

    • gbpuzzler

      “When TM told Jentel he is safe (ala at her fathers condo) and end the cellphone call (time was logged by phone record) GZ told the police that he will get out of his SUV to see where TM went (that end of the call was also logged by phone record).”

      No, GZ never told the police that he would get out of SUV to see where TM went. He admitted, when asked during the call, to following TM. agreed when the dispatcher recommended that he stop, and at the end of the call, requested that the police call him when they arrive. But he didn’t say why he didn’t want to set up a particular meeting spot in advance.

      And there is no reason why TM feeling that he was “safe” would mean in back of Brandy Green’s (his father’s fiancee’s) condo. Obviously, he had not entered the condo. It is not likely that he would have been able to enter from the back. The condos there had sliding glass doors in the back, which people usually keep locked, and which can only be unlocked from the inside. He might have considered a spot where he would be difficult to see to be “safe”.

      There is no evidence that TM ran back to the T to confront GZ. That was defense attorney Don West’s story, and he tried to convince the jury. But there was no real evidence for it, and Rachel Jeantel, when asked, specifically denied that this could have been the case.

      “The timeline info and location also leans towards GZ version that TM confronted him as he was returning to his SUV then the DA allegation that GZ was hunting for TM and causing a confrontation.”

      Your claims about the timeline are wrong. The end of the call between TM and RJ was over a minute later than the end of GZ’s police phone call, and over two minutes later than when GZ said OK to not following TM. What was GZ doing in the meantime? He certainly had enough time to get back to his truck and he did not do so. On the other hand, the two met up while TM was still on the phone with RJ. According to RJ, he would not have stayed on the phone with her if he had been running back to the T to confront GZ.

      “Media keep saying that Martin was suspicious because he was black and wore a hoodie but that is not what the police interviews show. He was suspicious because he was looking into a house that had been targeted for a burglary two weeks earlier.”

      There is no evidence that the house had been targeted, that was just GZ being suspicious of someone who was standing there. And TM had long since passed by that house on his way toward the clubhouse.

      • gbpuzzler

        In addition, concerning the house that TM was allegedly looking into, the surveillance videos at the clubhouse show that TM had been hanging around there for maybe 10-15 minutes at the time that GZ saw him there. So although TM might have walked by that house, it is not possible that GZ was just driving by the house in question, as I think he claimed in the “reenactment” video, and saw TM walking by there and looking in the windows. It’s just another one of the parts of his narrative that he kept changing to suit his purpose. Just like he made the “looking for an address” claim in the same video, to try to make the claim that he wasn’t trying to follow TM, when he had plainly admitted in his police phone call that he was following him.

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  • I donated $10. Hope that helps. Thank you for posting these tapes and evidence.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Zimmerman went looking for trayvon after he lost him. Also, Trayvon did not have a duty to retreat. It stands to reason that he would probably not want to lead a stalker back to his home.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    There needs to be a truthful narrative, one that doesn’t include this false assertion tht George Zimmerman defied anybody. The civilian dispatcher not only could not have lawfully order George Zimmerman not to follow tryavon martin, he did not. He said, “We don’t need you to do that.” Furthermore, George Zimmerman did not follow him further and legally, it would not matter whether he did, even though he did not.

    You have actually made the point for the defense, as supported by phone records and the person on the phone with tryavon martin. He said he was at his father’s girlfriend’s apartment.

    Unless George Zimmerman followed him to the apartment, then dragged him all the way back near the parking lot, tryavon martin would have had to have doubled back to find, accost and attack Zimmerman.

    Not feeling the faulty logic. In fact, it’s likely that if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle, he still would have been accosted, attacked…

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    THEY’RE COMIN’ RIGHT AT US!

    *Blamblamblam*

    Did you see the look in the eyes of those cute little bunny rabbits? They were poised to strike while pretending to cower in the corner!

  • Actually, yes, you absolutely can. You also have every right to defend yourself using whatever means necessary when it turns out that your suspicions were corrrect after you get assaulted and beaten into the concrete by the animal you were following.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    When you misstate the facts, the misstatement of the facts preclude the sense you can’t make.

  • Wrong. This sort of behavior is exactly what one would expect from Trayvon who has a history of delinquent animalistic behavior. It’s a wonderful thing that justice was finally done to him.

  • mandywhitby

    Yes. It honestly boggles my mind how people think it was ok what he did. Today on The view barbara walters says george planned a interview and they flew to florida and then he cancelled due to one issue which bw couldnt do. She wouldnt say what but its money he wanted and when they couldnt pay then he cancelled. They talk about it today live and during show george and lawyer calls in and says he wants to talk. Who cares who else is on the show cause its all about george. He thinks he can do what he wants and im so glad today they said we wanted the interview yesterday and now that he calling we are not talking to him as we have other guests. He only cares about himself.

  • kittycreek

    Sean Hannity (a celebrity who lies for a living) endorsed a murderer and now every Fox bot in the world will make up lies to defend GZ and demonize TM. That’s why you can’t tell these people anything – they are under the influence of BS Mountain!

  • mandywhitby

    Assaults his ex.TRUTH
    Assaults a police officer.TRUTH
    That shows a history of violent behaviour. TRUTH
    Listen to 911 tape which you obviously havent he says “IM sick of these assholes always getting away” That is word for word. So you know nothing about the case.
    911 says you dont have to follow and he says ok YET keeps following. George says for a address yet he lives in the complex and says on police interview. I have a bad memory and forgot the address. How convienent.
    911 says can u meet police at mailbox and george says “Yeah, actually have them call me and i’ll tell them where i am” WHY? Cause he knows he following treyvon and doesnt know where hell be.
    F-ING C%%NS. Oh i guess he didnt say that when its blatantly obvious. All his supporters said No he said its f-ing cold. George himself said on police interview that he said punks. So his supporters even hear a word starting with a C but now cause he said punks now they say yeah it does sound like punks.
    Why is it that its ok for george to protect himself but not treyvon? He tried walking fast then ran away. We knmow he was walking back from store unarmed yet george has the right to follow him by car then on foot and treyvon cant protect himself. Its only georges word that treyvon bashed his head and fought him but maybe he tried to hold treyvon till police got there and treyvon struggled to get free. We all know how easily geoge lies as he has done it many times in a court room. Evidence shows that treyvon only had a small 1/8 mark on his left hand. He had george on the ground yet geoger only has small abrasions. My daughter has had worse form a sports game.

    George is a sick man and a murderer. Let me guess his cousin is lying now too.

  • clifford715

     How did Trayvon know George had called the police? Could it be George told him while trying to detain him for the police?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    He turned out to be and 4$$#0L3

  • mandywhitby

    Why are george supporters so ignorant. Treyvon was loitering on private property? He was staying at his fathers girlfriends house which was on the property. So he was exactly where he was suppose to be. The MURDER happened close to the house. Lying in wait for the asshole. Its funny you say that as its george who is on tape saying “Im sick of these assholes always getting away” Your arguments actually are for treyvon.
    LIARS. Um we know how easily george lies as hes done it court three times.

  • msraingirl2

    your racist fangs r hanging out I feel sorry for you u don’t know truth when it slaps your face so sad

  • mandywhitby

    She did come out right after. Her one audio has been on here for a long time. She is his family why say all this and tear apart a family if it wasnt true.

  • bennett franklin

     Karma jim,Karma.Get to know it.

  • Zimmerman is a hero, and Trayvon was a violent ape upon whom swift justice was enacted. Absolute poetry.

  • OdessaGirl

    She is not a credible witness and Corey only released this hearsay to make George look bad. The abuse never happened. Keep up the quest to seek truth. Later.

  • OdessaGirl

    Yes it is.

  • msraingirl2

    clearly u know nothing about people racists r able to interact with those deemed inferior to them which empowers the racist to act in a superior manner just like geo did if he really did tutor a black kid I am sure he felt like a king on top of the world because he was in charge and the black kid was never interviewed to discover how he/she was treated by george all we ever hear r stories told by the zim fam. they are fighting for geo life so a lie is nothing for them to tell if it works in their favor.There is history of george having issues with authority to prosecute him he has proven to the court and the world that he is a habitual liar what else is needed the cops should have taken a toxicology report on him the night of the murder they should be sentenced for what they did not do in this case

  • msraingirl2

    u r pretty goofy don’t u know that if geo had kept his fat stupid ass in his truck Trayvon would b alive 2 day Geo started the fight no matter what anybody says Trayvon was not following geo he was talking on his phone to his girl not bothering anyone geo lied about him looking into windows that fat punk was high on psychotropic medication and his wanna b cop status he almost got away with his cold blooded murder with the help of an entire shift and office of racist and scared cops a police chief and city manager. that punk shot Trayvon without cause he saw a back kid and decided that he was going to become a hero and take him down and he did with his gun what a piece of shit.

  • Wallace Corrigan

    The mother hired an attorney that had an uncle that knew a guy with the last name Crump. Makes about much sense as what your suggesting. Nothing has changed.

  • Adam West

    Why are you lying about the mother’s lawyer.

    The mother’s lawyer NEVER worked for Ben Crump and she never worked with Ben Crump.

    Why you gotta lie man?

  • Adam West

    No. She never worked with or for Ben Crump.

  • Adam West

    The audio tape of the interview clearly shows that the Detective had a long talk with this witness PRIOR to turning the tape on.

    Detective: “ok we gotta start all over again ok, now the sunday before last …”

    Notice, he says “ok we gotta start all over again”

    “AGAIN”

    Clearly they had a conversation PRIOR to the tape being turned on which you can hear for YOURSELF

  • Progressives Rule

    Lika564, at what point into the 911 call do you hear that? I can’t make anything he is saying out. Thanx!

  • Lika564

    My sons say I have the ears of a bat. Here is what I heard from Jeremy and at where in the call I heard it. At 0.32 in the 911 call, Jeremy says “tell me you’re calling the cops!” At 0.42, ater the shot, he says “that’s it.” At 0.59, Jeremy says very quietly, “he’s dead” and repeats it more loudly at 1:03 in the call. At 1:14 he says something about gunshotS. At 1:30 I think he says, “he warned me ….” At 1:58, he says something about “…fucking kid…”

  • Kelly Payne

    what the hell diference does 2 inches make.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Well, TM was about 4″ taller. it doesn’t make much difference if they are on the ground.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Acquitted, racist, sore losers! Not guilty! Acquitted! Deal with it! It’s been 3 years! What’s next, loser? Who’s the nut job, nut job?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Not murder; he was acquitted!

  • palinpeople

    Thanks for ur stupidly. Obvious that u hate blacks so much that u support child molestation

  • palinpeople

    U seem confused. U wrote an entire essay cuz u couldn’t figure out that tills killers were found not guilty. But they actually were guilty.

    Get it? Of course not

  • palinpeople

    Zimmerman is on trial not trayvon.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s a serious charge for anybody other than jay carney, that they lie for a living. Do you have any evidence of that charge?

    Let’s see some.

    BTW, you use kittycreek as a handle. Do you know what kitty creek is?

    While you are in a hurry to write libelously, without an iota of evidence to support your baseless claims, you show what you don’t know. I don’t think there’s much you do know.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No heroes! That’s absurd. Factually, George Zimmerman is the survivor of a racially motivated, violent, hate crime.

    Hero and poetry are a bit much. You could, however use the George Zimmerman case as a lesson for law students, first as a perfect case of self defense, according to the law.

    Second, you can use this as a case to show how emotion, racism, the media and politics can pollute the administration of justice and how blatantly some politicians will indulge their egos with prosectutoral misconduct and how fragile the presumption of innocence is in America.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    More faulty logic, the timeline, the phone records and the testimony of the state’s star witness put martin back at his father’s girlfriend’s apartment where young martin was the guest of a guest in George Zimmerman’s gated community.

    That means tryavon martin would have had to have doubled back to find George Zimmerman. Factually, tryavon martin was the stalker.

    The idea that tryavon martin did not have a duty to retreat is moot. He did have a duty not to stalk, accost, attack, batter, beat, pummel, smother, threaten the life of, curse and tell to shut up a resident in his own gated community where this guest of a guest had come to be the worst mannered house guest ever.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Sorry you can’t keep up. If you call that an essay, with your personal disposition that is so vulnerable to faulty logic, it’s good that you haven’t bothered to educate formally since a real essay would likely feel like white oppression to you. I explained fully because I don’t think you and kippy are getting it.

    I’ll use smaller sentences.
    Casey Anthony was acquitted. That’s the sum of the similarity of all these cases, unless you’re a race baiter and want to link them, to which I take exception and you should too.

    Other than acquittal, there’s no relation to the cases and it’s a shame that you have to go back 58 years to cite an incident with the acquittal of a non-black killing a black.

    Concomitantly (that means at the same time and in relation to), George Zimmerman is the survivor of a race related, violent, hate crime. You should stop calling tryavon martin a victim.

    Try using English. We’re not texting.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    The facts do not support that baseless claim.

  • MR. IRREDEEMABLE TO YOU.

    Apparently she didn’t sound legit to ANYONE else. Lol

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! Made up!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Irrelevant! Acquitted!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Got her 15 minutes of fame! Attention seekers come out of the woodwork. Funny how that doesn’t work with the black people that say the Zimmerman’s helped. This is part of the mudslinging campaign against all the Zimmerman’s by racists, race pimps and illiterates like you.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Then she do sound legit if she say that! Not!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Do I answer back, “Hey moron”, doofus? Is that how it’s done or are you just as bad mannered as your racist and ignorant recipient of your defense? It makes sense that an ignorant, ill mannered dis-informed dumb 4$$ racist would defend another one.

    Besides being obnoxious, that’s an irrelevant, dissimilar comparison and can’t be seen as anything other than a non-responsive, obfuscatory and racist statement!

    OK! Let’s examine that, anyway. Emit Till, was a 14 year old, not a “little boy”, by any stretch of the imagination and he was average height for a man and 160 lbs. it is said, whistled at a white woman at a time and in a place that it was less than advisable, if not rude, no matter what you may think about society and segregation laws, now. I don’t find anything remotely similar to this case. Personally, I believe that “cat-calling” by anybody, at anybody is less than classless.

    Emit Till died 58 years ago, so we live in a completely different United States of America than at that time. We have a half white pResident, a black AG, a Black Supreme Court Justice, Black Congressmen and women, Black Mayors, Black police commissioners and Police Chiefs, Black City and County Council members, Black local representatives, elected and appointed at all levels and for the most part everything else.

    The democrats’ enforcement arm was/is the KKK. They were in power and fought hard against integration and civil rights and that included violence against blacks. Now, they pretend to the their ally but tell them they aren’t good enough to compete against the white boogeyman and the fictitious “white privilege” urban legend. What’s the connection, there? I don’t see it.

    There’s another dissimilarity. Till was the victim of racism. Martin, even less a child than Till was not the victim. Under Florida law, martin could have been tried as an adult for a race related, hate crime. It was he, according to testimony of the state’s star witness that got past “…near the house…”, his father’s girlfriend’s rental, then returned to find Zimmerman after his own racist profiling as a “creepy 4$$ cracker” over the phone, to a witness.

    Martin was a visiting guest. Martin and his father were both guests, not paid, not registered guests and not residents, in the father’s girlfriend’s rental condo. T Martin lived with his uncle, in Miami Gardens, not with his mother, in Miami and not in Sanford. Miami Gardens was where he was kicked out of school and had to go with his father during his expulsion from high school, since he could not be supervised during the daytime hours at his uncle’s house, in Miami Gardens, where his mother had sent him, since she could not control him, during previous suspensions. There’s absolutely no similarity there, either. T Martin, while under “discipline” from school found more violence, more trouble in the one week he was in Sanford, FL.

    So, I fail to recognize how this has any similarity or any connection, whatsoever, to a case where George Zimmerman, the hispanic survivor of a race related, hate crime could possibly be compared to a murderous, pack of young, white, racists.

    George Zimmerman, a resident in his own gated community was profiled, stalked, accosted, attacked, pummeled, smothered, told to shut up, cursed and threatened while he screamed for his life as t martin was attempting to kill or cause him great bodily harm.

    Justice for martin has already been served and martin precipitated the justice he got. Since you can use this unfounded, irrelevant, inflammatory, unrelated, race baiting, race pimping example as a basis to call me a moron, I have to ask, who’s the moron?

  • MR. IRREDEEMABLE TO YOU.

    What child molestation ? Where’s the charge? Where’s the conviction? Oh yeah it was a false allegation. If someone ACCUSED you of that with no evidence , dies it make it so ?

  • MR. IRREDEEMABLE TO YOU.

    Accusation and something proven thru toxicology reports. As well as liver damage at age 17 found in his autopsy presumably due to his “Purple Drank SIZZURP” habit.

  • MR. IRREDEEMABLE TO YOU.

    And the ACADEMY AWARD GOES TO ………. WITNESS 9 !!!!!

  • MR. IRREDEEMABLE TO YOU.

    Did you know the world is flat? Yep it is. Believe everything you HEAR? Try checking something out. The economy is great as well , I read it or Obama said it.

  • MR. IRREDEEMABLE TO YOU.

    No link. It’s missing. So is he …..the missing link

  • MR. IRREDEEMABLE TO YOU.

    You can’t be derogatory to your own race. He’s HISPANIC why can’t he call them whatever he wants? Blacks call each other the ” N ” words all tithe time and its ok, just like in rap songs

  • MR. IRREDEEMABLE TO YOU.

    Gotta love they never show a recent pic of Trayvon close to what his actual age and looks were. In surprised they don’t have posters of his ultrasound in utero. Oh wait , Dems don’t like those , they are to be aborted.

  • MR. IRREDEEMABLE TO YOU.

    So much for your ” LOGIC “. Never take a logic course from a box of creepy a** cracka jacks.

  • MR. IRREDEEMABLE TO YOU.

    On a credibility level with Rachel Jeantel. -5 and still going lower

  • MR. IRREDEEMABLE TO YOU.

    Yeah. It’s almost as if the prosecution made Trayvon out to be something he really wasn’t. Oh wait. That is what they did and failed

  • MR. IRREDEEMABLE TO YOU.

    He probably cancelled because he figured it would be edited like the NBC smear job

  • Kip Halsey

    michael you MORON. NOWHERE DOES IT SAY IN THE AUTOPSY THAT HE HAD LIVER DAMAGE.

    REPUBLICAN BULLSHIT FAIL, YET AGAIN.

    Go read the report moron.

    Reminds me of romney saying that obama didn’t mention the words terror, when he did. It’s like you don’t read the report, or watch the video, and just repeat what another moron said.

  • OdessaGirl

    Yep.

  • mike

    Just because GZ dated a black girl and mentor black youths, doesn’t mean that he is NOT a racist!!!! Whites fathered children by their black female slaves, but still owned them!!!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    that’s the second time my answer with points and authorities has been flagged and removed. What’s the matter? Can’t take the truth?

  • doesntevenmatter

    Do you know the definition of racist you moron?

    Racism: The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as…

    Prejudice or discrimination directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief.

    You won’t see a skinhead dating a black girl or mentoring black youths.

    And people owning slaves 150 years ago didn’t make them racist either, it was part of normalcy back then. And people having affairs with them sure as heck didn’t make them racist either.

    Funny the people who are first to point the finger at someone for being racist don’t even know what they are talking about.

  • doesntevenmatter

    Isn’t she the one who heard 3 gunshots?

  • marie

    Did you listen carefully to the 911 call you can hear Jeremy say “he warned me he would shoot him” I suggest you take a closer look

  • Gramatacolian

    Believe me, I’ve listened again and again and again. And I don’t hear it.

  • Lika564

    It would not matter if Gramat was there. It would have came to the same conclusion it came to here. Good news. You are on the right track and Gramat has the same suspicions or it would not be worrying about your opinion.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Yesss! Yes! That’s it! Choke on your anger.

    Look at you, falling back on things that I care not about because you can’t win the debate at hand. For the 10th time, I don’t care. The levels of ‘meh’ that I feel about the verdict are off the charts. I wish I had a fuck to give, but I don’t. Not a single fuck is left in my cupboard, sorry. ;D

    Oh yes, also…

    “Except for all the others.”

    WHAT others? You were the only douchebag that was tapping me on my shoulder at the time. Care to go take a look? I’m betting that you won’t.

    “”MrsDavis”"

    There you go again. I’ve told you several times that I am not “MrsDavis”. But hey, let’s see you prove that I’m lying. I know that you can’t because I’ve done nothing but tell you the absolute truth. That’s why you’re choking on your anger with every button press that I make. I’ll bet that you have hundreds of wild-eyed conspiracy theories with me in them. I know I keep you awake at night as you knash your teeth and cry into a pillow. That’s why you’re here. I clearly made you cry yourself to sleep every night and your only glimmer of hope is to somehow get back at me.

    Well, too bad. There’s not a thing you can say or do that would hurt my feelings or cause me concern. So, you can sit there and twist in the wind.

    “Lying”

    I don’t have to lie. Telling the truth is so much better because it makes you throw the biggest tissy fits. You are simply unable to accept the truth or at the very least drop the subject and move on with your life. You’d gain a lot of power if you just let things roll off your back, but instead, you dwell on your own false preconceptions. And that is why you are such a good slave.

    With but a wiggle of my pinky finger, you go off the deep end and bring me tons of entertainment.

    So yeah, dance monkey, dance.

  • Griz2000

    “Yesss! Yes! That’s it! Choke on your anger.”

    Projecting your butthurt on a stranger doesn’t mitigate your own distress. It just makes you look pathetic.

    “Look at you”

    Yeah, look at ANYTHING besides the lazy, lying, plagiarist sock-puppeting troll. Sorry, not playing along with your lame attempts at deflection.

    Like the “race card”, that shtick is worn out.

    “Care to go take a look?”

    Why? Shall we debate the meaning of “only” in the same fashion Clinton attempted to redefine “is”? Again, not interesting in indulging your penchant for deflection.

    “I’ve told you several times that I am not “MrsDavis”.

    Did you swear on your honor as a stupid, lazy, lying plagiarist sock-puppeting troll, too? Now, hands in front of you, so I can see you’re not crossing fingers!

    “I’ll bet”

    Considering how many “tells” you have, I’d avoid betting on poker. (Cue deflective anecdote about your amazing poker expertise)

    “But hey, let’s see you prove that I’m lying.”

    I’ve proven it before the only jury that matters: Me.

    I know you’re a liar.

    You know I know.

    And, yes, you know that I know you know.

    “That’s why you’re here.”

    Nope, I’m here because after disappearing for WEEKS after the Zimmerman verdict, you foolishly decided to reply to a “shoulder tap” to a YEAR OLD POST.

    Were you drunk? Or did you think I’d just let you go back to business as usual, you lying sack of $h!t?

    “I don’t have to lie.”

    Yet you do. Then you lie about lying. And then, after you’ve painted yourself into a corner, you’ll spew deflections and Clintonian “nuance” and revisionist history in the hopes that the person that caught you dead to rights will get frustrated and bored.

    No wonder you place such a value on annoying your betters… It’s your twisted definition of victory.

    Obviously you’ve never tasted real victory, otherwise you’d never settle for, or even brashly CLAIM the empty “victories” you’re endlessly trumpeting.

    “such a good slave”

    News flash: The slave is the one being TAPPED ON THE SHOULDER, not the one that taps.

    I AM THE ONE WHO TAPS ON SHOULDERS!

    BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    “…bring me tons of entertainment.”

    Yeah, you have so much fun that you flee the scene for almost a month post-Zimmerman verdict… and have to rationalize a lame tale of entrapping me into giving you a “tap on the shoulder”… AGAIN, MORON: If you wanted another go-around with me, you could simply have replied to any of the DOZENS AND DOZENS of posts I made while you were off doing whatever it is lazy, stupid, plagiarizing sock-puppeting trolls when cowering in abject fear.

    “So yeah, dance monkey, dance.”

    Keep refreshing that Dashboard… You never know when someone might tap you for your next command performance.

    Sad, sad, sad little troll.

    Sucks to be you.

    s/ The Real Griz2000

    P.S. George Zimmerman was found NOT GUILTY!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Bladiblahblahblah tl;dr

    Stay mad and get a life bro.

  • Griz2000

    Aww, too long for your ADD-addled brain to follow?

    Fine. I’ll recap.

    You’re a lazy, stupid, lying, plagiarizing sock-puppeting troll.

    You and your thug-loving race-baiting ilk LOST.

    George Zimmerman, Team Z, Truth, Justice, and the American Way WON.

    You project your character flaws onto anonymous strangers, steal their identities and their ideas, and reveal YOUR OWN DEGENERACY, HYPOCRISY, AND IDIOCY in the process.

    You claim to be “winning”, but the victories you claim are illusory… and pathetic even if they existed.

    You assert that you are the master, and I the slave… leaving aside the repugnant imagery, if you’re the MASTER, WHY ARE YOU THE ONE WAITING FOR TAPS ON THE SHOULDER?

    You’re a coward, a weasel-wording piece of $h!t… In short, you personify the word TRAYVONISTA.

    Any questions, troll?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    *yawn*

    Stay mad, bro.

  • Griz2000

    More?

    OK.

    Not only did you and your ilk lose in your attempt to wrongfully convict Zimmerman of Murder 2 but you’ve plenty of other failures to mourn.

    You failed to exploit the Newtown shootings to pass any gun control measures at a national level… Even the state laws were limited to areas where no self-respecting gun owner would live… and hilarious fuster-clucks ensued, with such embarrassments as police officers technically breaking the law with their own service weapons in NY.

    Your initial campaign to portray Trayvon Martin as an innocent little honors student astronaut-wannabe aeronautical engineer in training waif HAS FAILED.

    Outside the Trayvonista echo chamber, folks have learned that deceptive imagery, edited audio, and a campaign of carefully crafted distortions and LIES were used in order to rouse the rabble and apply political pressure towards an unethical decision to charge Zimmerman with Murder 2.

    Other failures? Your ilk’s attempts to pivot this trial into a indictment of SYG laws has also FAILED. You did hear about the bi-partisan commission that reviewed the law and that recommended NO CHANGES, right?

    Oh, and the inconvenient truth that blacks are disproportionately benefiting from the SYG law isn’t going unnoticed, either.

    Gird your loins, Lib’T@rd. It’s humiliations galore for you and your ilk.

    Obamugabe-Care is next.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Look at you, trying so hard to entertain your master.

  • Griz2000

    News flash: The slave is the one being TAPPED ON THE SHOULDER, not the one that taps.

    I AM THE ONE WHO TAPS ON SHOULDERS!

    BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    “…bring me tons of entertainment.”

    Yeah, you have so much fun that you flee the scene for almost a month post-Zimmerman verdict… and have to rationalize a lame tale of entrapping me into giving you a “tap on the shoulder”…

    AGAIN, MORON: If you wanted another go-around with me, you could simply have replied to any of the DOZENS AND DOZENS of posts I made while you were off doing whatever it is lazy, stupid, plagiarizing sock-puppeting trolls when cowering in abject fear.

    It’s not like you can FORGET MY NAME!

    “So yeah, dance monkey, dance.”

    Keep refreshing that Dashboard… You never know when someone might tap you for your next command performance.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Can’t you see? I am the one that summoned you. I say ten words and you respond with paragraphs of your bitter tears.

    “cowering in abject fear.”

    More like nodding off from boredom.

    “It’s not like you can FORGET MY NAME!”

    You’re the one that can’t forget MY name, dude. I spend 0% of my day thinking about you.

    “you have so much fun that you flee the scene for almost a month post-Zimmerman verdict… ”

    I didn’t flee the scene, I went to greener pastures. Also, for almost a month post zimmerman verdict? Dude, the verdict was 18 days ago. I wasn’t even commenting on Disqus throughout most of the trial. I was on Twitter the entire time.

    “have to rationalize a lame tale of entrapping me into giving you a “tap on the shoulder”"

    Let’s see, I made a comment and changed my avatar to match yours. Then you started trying to attack me within hours. You’re practically hovering over Disqus waiting for me because you’re so incredibly butthurt.

    “Keep refreshing that Dashboard…”

    I’m not refreshing dashboard, retard. When you make a comment to me, I get an email on my iPad. I simply click ‘respond to comment’ make my response in safari, then hit the home button a couple times to go back to what I was doing. YOU keep refreshing your dashboard.

  • Griz2000

    “I am the one that summoned you.”

    Yah. Summoning by being tapped on the shoulder.

    Makes perfect sense. If you’re a raving lunatic.

    Which, apparently you are.

    “I say ten words”

    Long posts don’t work for you. Short ones don’t either.

    Sucks to be you, don’t it?

    “You’re the one that can’t forget MY name, dude.”

    I think you’re confused. I’m the REAL Griz2000. You’re a worthless plaigarist troll.

    Your name? Mud.

    “Dude, the verdict was 18 days ago.”

    That’s right, lets argue over “almost 3 weeks” vs. “almost a month”… You’re such a deflective defective.

    “I didn’t flee the scene, I went to greener pastures.”

    Riiiiight.

    “Let’s see, I made a comment and changed my avatar to match yours.”

    Hmm… How does that fit the story that you were replying to someone else’s “tap on your shoulder”… How was *I* involved at that point, that you’d pilfer *MY* avatar again? Oh, wait, it was all part of your amazing plan to prompt me into “tapping you on your shoulder”… Because, after all, I had fled the scene after Zimmerman was found GUILTY!

    Oh, wait, that never happened. I’ve been here all along. Like you’d expect from someone who ISN’T A SOCK-PUPPETING TROLL.

    “within hours.”

    And when I “tap you on the shoulder”, you reply within minutes. Tell me again who is the Master, and who is the slave?

    “…on my iPad … make my response in safari”

    BWHAHAHAHA. You’re hunting and pecking on a OSK?!!? Really?

    I suspect you are actually telling the truth about that… Not only are you a Derp, you’re an iDerp.

    Priceless.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    “If you’re a raving lunatic”

    That’s rich. Look at the sad little screed that you posted.

    Stay mad bro.

  • Griz2000

    Sorry, that fine print on that plagiarized avatar’s too small to read… Says.. Um…

    “THE ONE THAT DERPS”?!?!

    Yeah, that’s it.

    Derp on, moron.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Buy a better monitor.

    Oh, and stay mad.

    Also LOL. Dude, you’re one to talk about plagiarizing things. You don’t own the copyright to Breaking Bad.

  • Griz2000

    Nope, definitely says “DERPS”.

    Must be a Freudian slip on your part.

    BTW, is this how you “win” arguments IRL? Act like an incoherent a$$hole until whomever you’re speaking to mutters “whatever” and walks away? Then you throw up a fistpump and crow, “YES!” as you claim your worthless “victory”?

    No wonder you couldn’t stay away, despite the endless humiliations you’ve suffered. IRL, people just walk away.

    Now, so am I. Goodbye, a$$hole.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Says traps. Get your eyes checked.

    “whomever you’re speaking to mutters “whatever” and walks away?”

    Actually, I’m the one that said ‘whatever’ to you and walked away. You’re the one that’s trying to speak to me, not the other way around.

    “Now, so am I.”

    Whatever.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Well-well-well

    Look who changed his name after so much bleating over my changing mine while also declaring that he’s just going to ‘walk away’.

    Thanks for giving me one more solid laugh. Now, I’ll let you go back to crying into your pillow.

    (also, for the record, I saw your name-change while I was in my dashboard and I wasn’t specifically looking in on you)

    Ciao

  • Drew

    My very thought Lika564

  • Drew

    Open your ears and listen to the lauer 911 tape. Also jeremy is in the background crying and she asks him “are you ok”. Why the hell is he crying?

  • L.A.M

    Do you not know how much f*cked up sh*t happens in the U.S? We had the highest serial killer rate in the entire U.S by a large margin. The thing with this Zimmerman case, is that in the U.S, we’re conditioned to think nothing like a crazy mastermind plan can actually happen. We don’t know how to respond logically. That’s most likely why people were so distraught at the Sandy Hook shooting. We’re desensitized to war, and murder, and huge events like this. We’re like domestic pets losing their instincts.

  • Lika564

    Exactly why Rzar. It sounds like the truth and “they” suspect it. I’m preaching to the choir when I say that you can tell who is posting comments that show the poster has thought out and followed the information closely and thoroughly. That poster will be attacked with increasing virulent comments. Also, the fact that they are still following and worrying about what comments ppl are making about GMurder’s guilt and future actions indicate that they are worried. I may be reaching but I think they are fearful because if the American legal system can and would do this to another human, an American, what could happen to them if the “right” person chooses to kill them? They are so stupid to not think about that if they aren’t actively thinking about it. They should be extremely fearful if it was not race related as some claim to believe. It would mean they are not safe either: a political, law enforcement, rich person or their relative can choose to hunt them and nothing more than an inconvenience would happen to the killer.

  • Lika564

    Jenna Lauer, John Good and Asian John lied. Jenna and Asian John claimed they did not watch. Asian John told his wife to let the “men handle” it and to mind her business and sit down. Asian John came outside after the shot not knowing who was shooting and if the shooter was the “good” guy and spoke with Gz and accepted his words, without fear that perhaps GMurder might kill him too? Strange. If he has any religious beliefs, he is roasting alive or whatever the spiritual punishment is for lying and not doing what is right. Jenna and John have the souls of animals so they have no remorse. By my own analysis, neither does Asian John.

  • Lika564

    No, Guy. Listen to her pretrial witness statement(s) and especially watch her body language in the trial. She’s a liar. I’m amazed because magistrates (Gz’s father’s former position) are really not much more than justice of the peace judges – not much really. This is bigger than his father. It is the outright actions of war against a people. You may like to believe that it was just a “thug” negro who got what he deserved but you had better really look at it and register what is happening. It is not just against Blacks. If it were, it would have been ended when they released Gz on his word. This is being used as a unifier for the powerless Whites. It helps them to feel a part of the Romney crowd (just a name, it could be Coulter, Bush, any rich white or “powerful” person). The same thing they did to white overseers during slavery and poor whites later unto now. Keep the “lower class” ppl battling each other while the rich ppl (a few of whom are not white White). You should be very concerned about what could happen to you and your family if someone in “power” kills you or someone you care about for no good reason. You or yours will be where Sybrina and Tracy are now. Do I feel safe making these statements online? Not at all but I am not a coward. I would rather die once as a soldier than a thousand times as a coward.

  • Lika564

    I believe also that when the 911 operator first picked up, TM asked “what’d I do?” twice.

  • Lika564

    He did not testify in the trial. Why not? Jenna who was on the phone and lied that she knew nothing but to call 911 AFTER it was too late. She knew before it got to the yelling and screaming what was going down. She’s trailer trash and her man is a coward. I hope she and John Good are doing well. BDLR knew what he was doing when he made the mistake of coupling Jenna and John together during the trial.

  • Lika564

    You should hope I do. If it was a case for you and yours, you’d better pray for someone like me who really listens to what is being said and done. If you are innocent of a crime, you would need and want someone like me who really listens and observes. Despite what I may think of you based on your posts, I would not assume that someone necessarily has a justification for killing you or someone you care about. I’d make them prove they had a reason. They would not be able to chase you into the dark, make you hide, find you and then expect you to give up your rights as an American citizen to defend yourself against a stranger who caused you fear or distress (even if that person was me). No Gramatacolian, I’d be your best juror.

  • AM I CORRECT?

    Could it have been him saying I’m begging you? That’s what I heard once.

  • Lika564

    He could have said that also. I hear at the beginning of the call “What’d I do?” and then a yell and another “What’d I do?” Nooooo!” The only thing I am sure of is that was NOT GMurder yelling. Those scrapes on his head were from them rolling around out there on the concrete. The only problem with that is how clean GMurder’s jacket and pants were. I would think all that “shrimping” should have torn or given the jacket at least some grass burns or dog poop since the dogs are walked out there. Very strange how clean G was for his videod entry to the police station and the photo. He got out of the car without help too.

  • L.A.M

    OMG. That’s so true. It’s so scary to see this unravel. This sends chills down my spine.

  • L.A.M

    Oh it most definitely would be. To bad there’s no way we can prove it. Or is there…

  • L.A.M

    You are one badass grandma.

  • L.A.M

    There really is no evidence. Zimmerman has wombs (Non serious ones at that. He only had two cuts, which don’t match up with over a dozen bashes into concrete. And he does not have a broken nose like he says), yet no trace of DNA is found on Trayvon. But he was supposed to be beating the crap out of him. Also, who wails (Ahhh!) as they’re getting beat up? I understand crying for help, but you can’t know yet that you’re in any imminent danger. People cry out when they are afraid. Not when they need help. Also, how would he cry out if his head was being bashed into the concrete anyway?

  • L.A.M

    I think it’s funny how people say “Black people are the most racist.” By doing that, you’re implying that you are indeed racist, but that Black people are more racist. You’re also implying that you are aware the racism is a negative trait. Saying “Black people are the most racist” is something people say to feel better about their own racism.

  • L.A.M

    You know what else doesn’t fit the physical evidence. Zimmerman’s injuries.
    1) His head injuries are inconsistent with multiple bashing into concrete.
    2) There is no DNA of Killerman found anywhere on Trayvon.
    3) Zimmerman could somehow yell while he was being pounded into the ground on concrete… And after over a dozen blows, this guy is still alive… And sustained no brain damage… And only needed a bandage.

    None of that crap adds up, and you know it. There is no physical evidence.

  • paul cuzz

    1. thats not what the forensics doc testified. You an expert forensics Doc now?
    2. Thats not true, GZ’s DNA was on Trayvons shirt.
    3.Apparently you have never been in a fight. People can yell while being beaten, his mouth still worked. Not all blows kill people . I have seen guys get beaten so bad their mom’s dont know them and never go to hospital.

  • gbpuzzler

    As I said above, have a Ph.D. in Psychology. But formal education has less to do with this than actually examining the evidence.

    ONE witness (Jon Good) saw Martin on top using “MMA style fighting moves”. He saw about 10-12 seconds during the altercation, but did not see either the beginning or the end of the incident. When he saw them, they were NOT close enough to the sidewalk for anyone’s head to be banged against it.

    Zimmerman had a bloody and swollen nose and 2 tiny wounds on the back of his head. I would expect that repeated banging of someone’s head on the sidewalk would, at least, leave a much larger abrasion, as when someone skins their bare knee on the sidewalk.

    “All” those people didn’t say that he did. At least 2 witnesses for the prosecution (Dr. Valerie Rao, and the Physician’s Assistant who treated Zimmerman the next day) basically said that they found only minor injuries. No sign of a concussion was found. The witnesses for the defense who claimed more serious injuries were being paid to say that. So were Zimmerman’s attorneys.

  • gbpuzzler

    I forgot to mention above: the location of Trayvon’s body at the time of his death is too far away from the sidewalk for “head banging” to have been taking place just before Zimmerman shot him.

  • doesntevenmatter

    I seriously doubt you have a PhD. But I will entertain you for the sake of argument.

    Jon Good was the closest and most credible witness. The other witnesses, with the exception of the nut job that heard 3 gunshots and kept changing her story that places Martin on top of Zimmerman.

    The medical examiner for the defense, Rao, said Zimmerman hit his head at least 6 times on the concrete. Bao was the states ME.

    The defenses special witness also said if Zimmerman waited until police arrived he could have suffered brain damage or been killed.

    Whether his injuries were significant or not (which they were not) is irrelevant because LEGALLY a person can use justifiable deadly force as long as the BELIEF of imminent danger exists.

    Have someone who knows law explain it to you.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Did you say you have a PhD in psychology? That’s like saying you have a roll of toilet paper. What, not smart enough to become a psychiatrist; that explains your disinterest in science?

    Just so you know I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you have a PhD in anything. I don’t believe you’ve graduated high school or have a diploma of any kind.

    I took a lot of psych and I know one thing clearly. You’re obsessed! You’re irrational! You need help to get over this and you need some counseling on your racist attitudes that color your perceptions and create an inability accept reality. You argue the same ponts cyclicly, over and over again and refuse to integrate the information into your own narrative. You selftalk, self assure when you’re wrong. There’s a conspiracy of half Mexicans that represent white privilege to you and you just keep droning on and on.

    Since you purport yourself to be from the Psych community, I’ll pretend you really are and tell you now that if there’s anything you believe, you should believe me when I say you should reach out. You need help.

  • gbpuzzler

    Yeah, I guess I must be a real moron for believing that if one guy shoots another through the heart, and if one of them is screaming, and the screams stop as soon as the shot is fired, the guy who had a gun pointed at him is more likely to be the one screaming than the guy who was busy drawing, pointing, and shooting the gun.

    Bao didn’t change the toxicology report or anything else. He changed his opinions about what that meant to the case. The amount of THC listed as being in his blood was still the same. Bao changed his opinion as to whether Trayvon still could have been feeling any residual aftereffects of smoking weed.

    He also hadn’t made specific claims as to how long Trayvon lived after being shot. He made a judgment as to how long, in general, a person might live after receiving the kind of gunshot wound that Trayvon received. Neither of these claims padded the prosecutions case. In fact, the prosecution seemed to be flummoxed by the changes, and didn’t know what to do about them.

    And could you please explain how having Martin would have to be on top and Zimmerman on the ground for Zimmerman to shoot Martin through the chest? If anything, that would seem to make it difficult for Zimmerman to shoot Martin with a straight front to back, with no upward or sideways trajectory to the bullet as the autopsy says. Not to mention that it would allow Martin to start backing off and try to escape, unless Zimmerman was holding on to him to prevent that.

  • gbpuzzler

    Can you tell me what report or witness says that Zimmerman kept saying that he was yelling for help? To the best of my knowledge, Zimmerman did not claim this at first. When Detective Serino first played the tape with the screams for him in one of the police station interviews, Zimmerman said, “That doesn’t even sound like me.”

    You have a lot of gall claiming passing judgment on a shooting victim with no criminal record and no record of violent behavior. How about Zimmerman’s using his shooting of this boy to beg for money on the internet so that he could live high on the hog?

  • gbpuzzler

    I finished 3rd grade long ago and went far beyond it educationally, including both undergraduate and graduate level university education. Does that entitle me to address you, Oh Exalted One? (titter, titter)

    None of what you claim has been substantiated. None of the witnesses saw who was the aggressor, unless you count what Rachel Jeantel heard in her phone call. While Jon Good’s testimony suggests that Trayvon was on top during the 10 or 12 seconds that he saw, he saw neither the beginning or the end of the altercation. And even if Zimmerman wasn’t much of an athlete, how was it that, after over a year of martial arts training, he wouldn’t have even enough training in self-defense to try to defend himself using his arms and legs. Why didn’t he fight back by punching, shoving, kicking, etcetera? Especially since, if you believe his version, his gun was in a position that would have been impossible to see at that point and extremely difficult for either of them to access – in a holster on that back of his hip, tucked into his pants, so that he would have been lying on top of it with a 158-pound person straddling him. This is one of ;the reasons to believe that at least parts of Zimmerman’s testimony is untrue.

    As for the screams, I don’t put much stock in that testimony. Most of the people who were asked about it would have no way of knowing what Zimmerman would sound like if he was screaming in terror. And the defense, before the trial, succeeded in getting the judge to exclude the prosecution’s voice analysis experts who said that the screams couldn’t have been Zimmerman’s.

  • gbpuzzler

    I am aware of the “reasonable person’s standard”. My understanding is that the person should also have reason to believe that the threat can not be mitigated by non-lethal means. Since I only discussed specific points before, that may not have been clear. So let me be more specific about it now.

    Zimmerman’s story gave two reasons why he might have been in fear for his life: the alleged head-banging and the claim that Trayvon had apparently just noticed his gun and was reaching for it. As I pointed out in my other post, the position of the gun in the scenario that Zimmerman gave – Zimmerman lying on his back on the grass, Trayvon straddling him, the gun in a holster underneath him, on the back of his hip, tucked into his pants, plus the fact that it was dark – means that even if his jacket started to ride up, the gun would have been impossible to see (in fact, it would have been under or behind him) and difficult or impossible for him to pull out of the holster. So, this claim for needing to shoot in self-defense doesn’t work.

    As I also pointed out, Trayvon’s body was nowhere near the sidewalk when found. Zimmerman does not claim that Trayvon crawled or walked after the shooting, and with his injuries he probably would have been unable to anyway. So, there was no immediate danger of getting his head banged on the sidewalk, and this claim for self-defense doesn’t work either.

    The fact that his injuries were minor means that it is not reasonable to believe that Trayvon had both the desire and the skill as a fighter to kill Zimmerman. And Zimmerman would have been required to use less lethal means of fighting back if feasible.

    So, the scenario presented by Zimmerman, to the extent that many of the details are inaccurate or not plausible, does not meet the “reasonable person’s standard” for self-defense. We might be able to think of others that would, but then we would also need to ask why Zimmerman and his attorneys did not bring them up in court.

  • gbpuzzler

    “Presumption of innocence” does not mean that, either during an investigation or in a court of law, people should believe everything that a suspect says! If you ran things that way, there are a lot of criminals out there that you would never be able to convict. There are several reasons to doubt that Zimmerman stopped following and Martin doubled back to him. The first is that Martin was running away before, so why would he double back? It is more likely that Zimmerman would keep chasing him. Second is the police phone call. After saying “OK” to the suggestion that he stop following Martin, he was still on the phone for over a minute, more than enough time to walk back to his truck. He does not reach it during this time. He also does not seem to encounter Martin again during the time that he is on the phone. And, he ends the phone call by NOT wanting to give a location where the police can meet him, but instead asking that they call him back when they arrive. Why would he do that, other than that he wants to continue looking around, instead of getting back in his
    truck? In addition, Rachel Jeantel’s testimony does NOT have Martin doubling back, Instead, he is talking to her and sees Zimmerman again. If he was planning to get into a fight with Zimmerman, as Jeantel points out, he would have ended the phone call. It also seems likely that he would have looked for a weapon.

    So, my opinions may be my opinions, but I believe that there is plenty of support for them. There also is plenty of forensic evidence and testimony that does NOT support Zimmerman’s claims and yours. You and the Zimmerman supporters take pieces of evidence that seem to fit his case and ignore the rest.

  • gbpuzzler

    What evidence have you given that backs up what you (and Zimmerman) are claiming? I find it telling that you feel the need to attack me for pointing out additional facts. What do you that contradicts it? I doubt that you were actually there, either.

    And by what twisted reasoning is it that you are claiming that I am a racist, for pointing out that when a thug with a record of belligerent, bullying behavior chooses to follow an unarmed black teenager with no record of violent behavior, and ends up shooting him, and then claims that the boy doubled back and attacked him, there is reason to take what he claims with a HUGE grain of salt and to examine the details of the evidence carefully?

    While the law does not prevent someone from running after another person even after being advised by a civilian police dispatcher to stop doing so, the law does not give him permission to detain or shoot that person. Are you now the arbiter claiming that it does?

  • gbpuzzler

    My opinions on this were not formed by the government nor primarily by the media. Some of the elements that I saw in this were:

    By Zimmerman’s story, he had Martin made a 180 degree switch in his behavior, from running a way to being super-aggressive. In addition, in his version, he did nothing to fend off Martin with his arms and legs while Martin was allegedly punching him, trying to smother him, and bashing his head into the sidewalk. He does not explain why he would have been unable to use his hands at that time. Then, suddenly, he is able to to undertake tricky maneuvers to restrain Martin’s arm and get out a gun that is in a holster on the back of his hip, a difficult place to reach while he is lying on his back with a 158-pound person straddling him. I found these claims difficult to believe.

    When Zimmerman pulled his tricks with hiding covering up donations that he received and trying to hide a duplicate passport, it strengthened my opinion that his claims shouldn’t be believed.

    What did help me to form my opinions on the specifics was reading blogs which discussed the evidence and issues related to this case in far more depth than media accounts that I saw or heard. The media did not do a lot to discuss the evidence and how it fit in to this case.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You seem to have an emotional intimacy with the perpetrator and it clearly colors your opinions, looking for the slightest details. You call the perpetrator by his first name, intimating a connection and the defender by his last name, distancing yourself in how you even approach the subject. You have a clear bias. Your understanding or not, of the reasonable man’s standard, leads me to believe not.

    For some people, to be fighting for their survival, with a taller, faster, stronger, obviously younger person, regardless of age or sex, straddling that resident, as affirmed by a witness, personally, irrespective of how softly you think it was, it doesn’t matter to the reasonable person, whether that person sees a weapon or not The reasonable person, trained or not would likely, reasonably shoot and empty the clip until that person, straddling his or her body, banging banging his or her head, however gently, as you suggest, rolls off or gets up.

    In my mind, there is significant doubt that you’ve ever been in combat. For some, it’s exhilarating. Of course, with age that tends to diminish, unless you do it once in a while, in a combat sport or other event, to clear out the rust but your nit picking really has not a thing to do with what George Zimmerman said, consistently, for months.

    Personally, I don’t think George Zimmerman is smart enough to come up with an instant story that actually does check out and is confirmed by at least one witness. By the way, the guy straddling someone and banging their head isn’t making blood curdling, screams and making terrified noises. That was just plain ridiculous that the defense, the parents and the media all tried to make the whole case turn on a clearly fictitious point that it was martin’s screams.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You people are delusional. All I have to say is, “Not guilty!”

    To you, specifically, regarding that higher education, I’d ask for my money back and use it to enroll in a class that concentrates on critical thinking.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Now you’re just making $#!+ up! You’re delusional. All I have to say is that the Federal Government and the State violated the rights of a man with, like your insane insistence, absent any cause, whatsoever and spent a lot of money trying to prove your delusional points or absense thereof and it comes down to this: Not guilty!

    That doesn’t matter to you race baiters that want to believe some other narrative, after it’s been proven. You just want to hate. Hate on!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Who ran? What proof do you have that anybody other than martin ran? That’s right! You made that $#!+ up, like always!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Oh great intellectual one!

    “Hate Crimes don’t work that way. It takes more than describing someone by their race and getting into a mixup with them to charge someone with a hate crime.”

    Actually, you know nothing of the law. Where’s your law degree? I don’t live in Florida but I’ve read my share of Florida law. I have not only a degree, which I’m certain you do not but you can’t keep making up $#!+ about how you think Florida law ought to work from your prejudiced belief, based on not a thing in the world except your great “intellect”. Sorry! I almost crapped myself, laughing about the word, “intellect” and you.

    Under Florida Law, when somebody, in this case (the perpetrator) is straddling somebody else, smothering them, beating them, banging their head on the ground, where it is reasonable to believe that the victim (that’s the one on the ground being beaten, smothered, told to “shut up”, having his head banged on the ground and screaming for help), since you are unclear about this, deadly force is reasonable.

    They don’t define that as a “mixup”, the way you so eloquently do. We call that attempted murder. When it is accompanied by a racial slur, that is the definition of a hate crime.

    My personal opinion is that the stupid girl’s testimony was hearsay and should not have been admitted but apparently that judge has a different understanding of what Florida law is so I’ll defer to that judge.
    It actually made an already strong case for the defense stronger!

    This testimony makes the case not only a felony but a hate crime, so that not only does anything preceding the attack on G. Zmmerman by T Martin irrelevant. The jury found that to be true. There were jury members that wanted to find G Zimmerman guilty but could not because all the crap that you keep clouding this site up with is irrelevant to the law unless you can prove that G Zimmerman was actually beating T Martin and banging his own head, punching his own face, smothering himself while screaming for help just so he could fire his weapon one time in order to kill T Martin.

    If I was the judge, I’d have dismissed the case before the jury got it. That’s the law and this is perfect, perfect, again, perfect, justifiable homicide in self defense, not even imperfect justifiable homicide, in self defense, which is a real charge and every racist idiot that wants this to be something else and for it to be racially motivated any other way than what the hearsay evidence made it.

    Acquitted!

    Get over it!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Like the rest of you racists, you are out of your element. You take simple terms and redefine them. How, in your head, you come up with “equal protection” is simply bewildering. Do you just find something that sounds kind of intelligent and try to make it fit something it doesn’t? I’m having a problem with the dishonesty. There is not only not an “equal protection” toward your protagonists who are actually criminal perpetrators, including your other invocation of the Michael Brown, instant justice situation, any unequal application of the law is factually not whom you champion.

    While the only similarity to these cases are the race pimps, meaning you and your kind that make up issues not even in question.

    The only relationship between the two cases is your race prejudices and your defense of young, black men committing illegal acts precipitating their demise. Your position is a defense of illegal acts, as long as young black men are committing them and some perverse belief that people that are not black may not defend their lives. That is the only connection present. That puts you on the wrong end of a race issue. It’s part of what makes you a racist. It clouds how you think, actually how you fail to think. There’s something really wrong with you.

    The fact that you can call this an equal protection issue is insane. There’s actually no way to make that jump without injecting race where it isn’t the actual issue.

    You just don’t know how to be right. You build incomprehensible arguments around semantics and then use faulty logic to make it not work. it doesn’t work. Playing games with whether he’s almost there or not since he could have been at the step or some other distance. That’s an “it depends on what is is” type of disingenuous argument. It’s wholly dishonest! Shame on you.

    You also want to be deceitful about his destination. You want to call it “home”. No! This is not his “home”. That’s like the release of a year old picture of t martin before he got the gangster gold dental work, before he posted pics on his facebook page with drugs and guns.

    This guy wasn’t going “home”. This guy had been out of control and sent, by his mother, to stay with his uncle because she couldn’t supervise him. What put him in the position of visiting his father, who wasn’t a registered resident of the complex was that t martin was expelled from his school and his uncle didn’t want him left in his home when he was at work since he wasn’t going to school.

    You deliberately misstate the circumstances and make nebulous, inaccurate presentations. t martin was surfing the sofa at his father’s girlfriend’s apartment because he was out of control and nobody wanted him because he was a thug, plain and simple. So, the protracted semantics belie the circumstances when you take it a step further and cloud what “near” means.

    The fact is that g zimmerman investigated the presence of a stranger, not a registered resident, on the grounds where he, g zimmerman was a registered resident and a neighborhood watch leader.

    As I’ve said all along, while nothing matters before t martin is straddling g zimmerman pummeling him about he head and shoulders, smothering him, cursing him, telling him to “shut up” to stifle his screams to save his life and for the beating to stop, while his head is banging on the ground, your duplicitous statements must not go unchecked.

    What does matter is that g zimmerman, whether you want to use stupid, inapplicable characterizations about “profiling” and suggesting that his investigation and report were somehow improper. They were not! They were within all of zimmerman’s rights as a resident and a neighborhood watchman in a gated community that was progressively coming to be under siege by non-residents.

    Whether martin had a right to be there wasn’t the question. It should not be made to be one. The fact was that martin wasn’t a registered resident and zimmerman investigated that. Race should not have anything to do with it, however, this is a gated complex in the middle of a primarily black neighborhood and while the race pimps want to make it a race issue, it is a fact that it is not common for people of Caucasian, Asian, Hispanic origin to come to a black neighborhood, then victimize a gated community. This was never a race based incident until t martin made made race his motivation to attack zimmerman.

    Not wanting g zimmerman to be telling the truth is not enough reason to suggest that zimmerman’s testimony is untruthful, that t martin, not a registered resident doubled back and confronted g zimmerman, a registered resident, angrily and attacked him. Do the math. Everything fits.

    Stating that he was irritated that he was being investigated by a resident and assigning a hate based racial comment before attacking zimmerman is the definition of a hate crime, period. Yes! That is how the law works. Wrong, again!

    it would be easy to conclude that t martin’s angry racist attitude and acting on it precipitated his demise since that’s exactly what makes a jury that wanted to convict zimmerman of something, unanimously vote not guilty.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Irrelevant! Whether martin had a right to be there or not is not the issue. He doesn’t have the right, just because he’s a guest to try to kill residents, whether he’s one of the usual 4$$30L3S that rob the complex or just a guest. Besides being very bad manners to make a racial slur and kill a resident or try to kill a resident that would likely not be here had the resident, with more rights on the grounds where he pays money to live, gated, supposedly safe from this sort of crime, it’s also illegal and horrendous to kill a resident where you’re a “guest”.

    You are talking completely out of that 4$$ you have photographed next to that senseless, ignorant moniker if you believe, in any way that there is some kind of equal protection issue in this case, other than the unequal protection withheld by the federal and state governments, their party and their propaganda ministry.

    You have not a clue what represents a hate crime if you believe that’s not what happened when martin almost successfully murdered zimmerman in a fit of demonstrable hateful rage. This is the epitome of a hate crime and you aren’t equipped to make the judgement that it is not.

    More denial! More obsession!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Call me garrote! I’m on you! Your 4$$ belongs to me! I have my heel on your throat and all you can do is put your 4$$ in the air to try to please me because my heal is on your throat! You are my bitch and you will be as nasty as you can to provide for me because I own you! You ain’t pretty but you’s mine and I value you for what you can do for me.

    Give it to me, baby!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    irrrrrelevant!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Irrelevant, nonsensical answer. That’s just word play. Semantics! Deliberately pretending not to understand. Willful ignorance! Do you know what we call that?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    In your dreams! You just prsented 6.5 fallacious (made up) points, lies). Irrelevant, anyway, more-so because you keep lying!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Zimmermans rights were not violated. He had a right to an immunity hearing, which he waived. He told several inconcistant stories and the fact that he killed someone under questionable circumstances is cause to prosecute him for a crime. Don’t forget that serino’s report recommended that he be charged with manslaughter BEFORE the public even knew who zimmerman was.

    Also, shouting not guilty at me is worthless because OJ was found not guilty about 20 years ago and people still call him a murderer. In this case, one of the jurors calls zimmerman a murderer. deal with it.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re the one making irrelivent statements here. Go get a life or something.

    Little protip. If you can’t be bothered to respond in two weeks, then don’t respond at all.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re an idiot. The till case is brought up because it is a known fact that the accused men murded him, yet they were found not guilty. It is a response to your idiotic belief that a not guilty verdict means that the accused was 100% in the right. If that were true, then the opposite would be true and there would be no innocent men in prison right now.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    60 years ago! Not a single correlation. You’r looking for racial bias and hate. Look within! You’ll find it there!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Learn to read. You’ll find that I addressed the one common link, the acquittals and they are in no way linked.

    I do have my own doubts about Casey Anthony but it comes out the way it should. The state had no case. No real evidence! The Federal Government didn’t weigh in on that one, not the pResident, not the Just Us Dept. They don’t serve the citizens. They keep the racist hatemongers fed with dissension. Feeling full?

    Funny! The head of the Just Us Dept. invoked Emmit Till regarding Michael Brown while the investigation was still going on and the pResident of the Untied States sent 3 emissaries to to his funeral and it turns out it was just a cops v robbers situation but your kind continues to stoke the flames of white establishment cops v victim-hood of robbers. That’s the real narrative. That’s what’s behind the vitriol of you ignorant people!

    operah house winfrey, who brought us barack hussein obama invoked Till regarding martin and you’re going to play dumb, that Till is not also being invoked for the same reason! Thanks operah!

    This race baiting government, it’s party and its propaganda ministry keep this divisive, hatemongering going and you, their followers, the angry little wing-nuts parrot their message with no idea you’re being used as a wedge to create vitriol in the country to advance an unconstitutional agenda that has no place in our founding principles.

    OJ? That’s what you’re going to inject? F’ing racist dolt!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Looking for relevance, not “write a screed where you flail in every direction without addressing the points raised”.

    Quell the hate within. That way you’ll stop comporting yourself like an ignorant ideologue.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Absolutely! I’m not defensive. You’re offensive!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re the one acting defensive over race.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re clearly flailing in ever direction without addressing any points raised right now. Stop projecting

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Zimmerman was acquitted because the jury did not understand the law concerning manslaughter, the legal proceedings were undermined every step of the way, the prosecution team took a dive during the proceedings and the jury foreman was practically a zimmerman fan girl with a book deal in the wings that had no place on the jury. Sorry to burst your bubble.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    OJ was found not guilty. He is still called a murderer to this day. Screeching ‘not guilty’ is like cheering that the man got away with murder.

  • gbpuzzler

    On the contrary, I believe that you are the one who is seriously in need of critical thinking skills – or at least the will to use them. I am still waiting for an answer as to how my unwillingness to see a black teenager as automatically being a thug who beat up someone who had been pursuing him is an indication that I am wearing a “racist hat”.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Stop double responding to my old comments dum-dum.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re the only one talking about race here. It isnt my fault that you seemingly have different opinions about people based on their race.

  • gbpuzzler

    Michael Brown a “cops v robbers” situation? More like a case of inappropriate police behavior.

    The courts have ruled that it is illegal for police officers to continue shooting at a person who is running away if the person is not endangering others, and that’s what Wilson, the officer in the Brown killing was doing.

    Everything else is irrelevant. The jaywalking does not justify shooting at him. Neither does the possible shoplifting, even if Wilson knew about it at the time (and it is not clear that he did). Even if Brown tried to grab Wilson’s gun during the altercation at the police car, that doesn’t ;justify the shooting, since he was obviously unsuccessful and he was no longer able to attempt to do so from 40 feet away.

    In a kids’ game of cops and robbers, it is OK for them to shoot while running after each other, since their “guns” don’t shoot real bullets. But actual police officers with real guns that can kill people are required to behave in a more professional manner.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You don’t know enough about rights to know that Zimmerman’s rights were violated, that the overreaching federal government extended it’s arm into a local matter and demanded a prosecution when there wasn’t even enough evidence for a grand jury. There wasn’t even the Constitutional Grand Jury guaranteed by the 4th and 5th Amendments.

    You’re out of your depth.

    Who shouted ‘not guilty’ at you? That is the final word but unless you’re an appellate attorney and you’re not, you don’t get to say what the rights of individuals are just because you want it to be.

    I’m going to do you a favor and tell you what you ignorantly just told me, and I’m quoting your whole misguided, poorly punctuated and poorly capitalized sentence! “deal with it.”

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Sorry! Dikchead! I’ve bee laid up with ankle surgeries after an accident in Barstow. Can’t put my foot down for long. Making an exception, today, for you. Determined to break into that ignorant, fat laden, goofy looking, goofy processing skull of yours.

    You should consider working for the federal government. I’m fairly certain you can help rationalize victim-hood throughout the country! You already like to think you’re the arbiter of when somebody should respond, even though you injected yourself into a cold conversation that was dormant for 2 years!

    Let’s put it in terms that you’ll understand, junior: You’re not the boss of me!

    While we’re on the subject, what kind of life could you have if you can’t take 2 weeks away from the computer? Hey, is that mom calling you? Asking you what that pungent smell is from the smoke coming under the door? Better put it out and get back to school! Nothing worse than a dis-educated troll that can’t compete in the real world but wants to “protip”! F’ing goon!

    Life’s good! You should consider getting one!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Yeah! I’m the idiot! You’re hilarious!

    What in the world is making you drop back to not 100% in the right?

    Till is still a provocative, manipulative, race baiting invocation of an irrelevant (immaterial, unconnected, unrelated, peripheral, extraneous, inapposite, inapplicable) incident in a time and society (an organized group of persons associated together for religious, benevolent, cultural, scientific, political, patriotic, or other purposes) 60 years long past.

    Guess I have to explain this to you, too! Remember, small words; small words! Perhaps some definitions (the act of defining, or of making something definite, distinct, or clear) will help. OK! Let’s try to make this something you might understand. Martin doesn’t get to beat on anybody he wants. Martin doesn’t get to carry an attitude of and to call a guy a “creepy 4$$ cracker”, then go jump on the guy’s chest, on his own grounds, whether or not he thinks he was being followed even if the guy was or wasn’t headed back to meet the police. That doesn’t matter in the law.

    What matters isn’t 1%, 50%, 99% or 1000%. If you get that, you’ll understand that if a reasonable person has somebody straddling (mounted on) his chest, banging his head on the ground, beating him, smothering him, deadly force (amount of force that is likely to cause either serious bodily injury or death) is reasonable (sensible, rational, logical, fair, fair-minded, just).

    Here’s a sentence that perhaps you might understand: Deadly force may be used if a person believes that there is a threat of death or great bodily harm and that it is either imminent or being accomplished (experienced).

    The issue isn’t whether there was innocence. That’s not the same as not guilty but guilt isn’t determined by whatever irrelevant issues to which you recalcitrant (uncooperative, intractable, obstreperous, truculent, insubordinate,defiant, rebellious, willful, wayward, headstrong, self-willed, contrary,perverse, difficult) people hold on. The fact is that this man was 100% within his rights appropriately (correctly, lawfully, legally, logically) calling the police about a suspicious character (a person unknown, seemingly out of place, unfamiliar), later defending his life.

    While innocence may or may not be the case for you, guilt (state of having committed an offense, crime, violation, or wrong, especially against moral or penal law; culpability), legally, for George Zimmerman, is not present, no matter how much the race pimping, race baiting federal government pushed the state to overreach and manufacture (construct, build, assemble, create, fabricate) a case.

    Just a heads up! A not guilty verdict doesn’t mean innocence, anyway. It never did. Stop playing stupid! Never mind. Stop trying to confuse yourself and others.

    You’re welcome.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Love your subterfuge and obfuscation! Conflate something that has not a thing to do with the other but with your own racist spin, you can make anything make sense, as far as you know. The rest of us don’t believe that crap!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    “What in the world is making you drop back to not 100% in the right? ”

    Where did I claim that Zimmerman was 100% in the wrong?

    “you’ll understand that if a reasonable person has somebody straddling (mounted on) his chest, banging his head on the ground, deadly force (amount of force that is likely to cause either serious bodily injury or death) is reasonable (sensible, rational, logical, fair, fair-minded, just).”

    You don’t know that ANY of that happened. You just have Zimmerman’s word and he is a pathological liar.

    “Deadly force may be used if a person believes that there is a threat of death or great bodily harm and that it is either imminent or being accomplished (experienced).”

    Right, so Trayvon had a right to use force upon Zimmerman based on Zimmerman’s own presented threat.

    “The fact is that this man was 100% within his rights appropriately”

    Well that’s not exactly true. The fact is that you don’t know what happened to start the altercation. Zimmerman certainly wouldn’t be 100% within his rights to try to detain martin or pull a gun on martin. Martin, was well within his rights to ask zimmerman why he was being followed and defend himself if he believed Zimmerman to be a threat. To say that Zimmerman is 100% in his rights when there are so many unknowns in this case is incredibly myopic of you.

    “calling the police about a suspicious character”

    Nobody is complaining about him calling the police. People are complaining because he left his vehicle to CHASE said person when they objectively weren’t doing anything unlawful to warrant Zimmerman doing that.

    “A not guilty verdict doesn’t mean innocence, anyway.”

    You are acting like it does. That’s the end of it.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    “Martin doesn’t get to carry an attitude of and to call a guy a “creepy cracker”,”

    Zimmerman called Trayvon an “A$$hole” that “always gets away” right before leaving his truck and running after Martin and later called martin a “F*cking Punk” while running after him.

    “then go jump on the guy’s chest”

    You don’t know that Trayvon did that.

    “on his own grounds”

    They were NOT on Zimmerman’s property. Not anywhere near it.

    “whether or not he thinks he was being followed even if the guy was or wasn’t headed back to meet the police. That doesn’t matter in the law.”

    If Trayvon survived and said that he was defending himself from Zimmerman, then he would walk.

  • gbpuzzler

    “Here’s a sentence that perhaps you might understand: Deadly force may be used if a person believes that there is a threat of death or great bodily harm and that it is either imminent or being accomplished (experienced)”

    You left out a very important word: if a person REASONABLY believes… It has to be a reasonable threat, that a person believes based on reasonable indications. Not something dreamed based on paranoid views or a desire to play hero.

    There is no evidence for head-banging or deadly force being used by Martin, or for a likelihood that he was about to use deadly force. We only have Zimmerman’s claims.

    Nobody is saying that Zimmerman didn’t have a right to call the police. If he had left it at that, and then waited for the police, neither he nor Martin would have been injured.

    The place where all of this happened was a common area, owned and maintained by all the homeowners in that development. As a guest of a resident, Martin had as much right as Zimmerman did to be there.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    If you can’t be bothered to respond in two weeks, then let it go and go away. You weren’t having wrist sugary unless you type with your feet, your excuses are rather poor.

    Also, you’re the one calling people ‘dickhead’ on the internet.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    His rights were not violated. You’re crying about the “overreaching federal government” that DIDN’T charge him with a federal crime!

    “Who shouted ‘not guilty’ at you?”

    You have been shouting it in every other comment that you’ve made.

    “unless you’re an appellate attorney and you’re not, you don’t get to say what the rights of individuals are just because you want it to be.”

    Everyone has a right to call the man a murderer. It’s called the 1st amendment. Deal with it.

  • gbpuzzler

    The 4th and 5th Amendments are somewhat vague about what charges require a grand jury hearing. Florida law requires a grand jury hearing for 1st degree murder, but not for 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. There have been plenty of other cases in which people have been charged without a grand jury. Zimmerman was far from unique in this. If they had decided to try to charge him with 1st degree murder, they would have had to go to a grand jury.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You f’ing stupid 4$$! My broken lower leg and my 100% dislocated ankle is in the air most of the time, being iced the rest of the time and I do have a life that has not a thing to do with dealing with impetuous, ignorant trolls like you, you f’ing ignorant dikchead! I still haven’t seen the damage to my motorcycle. I still have to have someone tell me what’s wrong with it so I can decide to move it home and fix it myself or give it to a shop. Some of us aren’t up in our rooms, at mom’s house smoking dope, posting stupidity on the web.

    That’s your f’ing argument? Yeah, you have a learning disability, besides being uncle fester’s fat goofy son.

    There’s actually no reason why I should deal with ignorance or defend whether my wrist or my ankle and leg has had “sugary”, you illiterate dolt.

    You know not a thing about the law, rights or the Constitution and your contentions, from top to bottom, front to back are upside down and backwards. You’re a product of our crappy education turned indoctrination system, looking for boogey men and racist government victimizing black men in a world where there is no open season on young, black men, where there’s more of an argument that it’s open season on the police who are not always 100% innocent, to use your term but you people don’t know when to admit you listened to the divisive government, its party and its propaganda ministry and they were wrong in advancing a divisive agenda for political purposes and just wrong about the facts of the manufactured case that never was.

    Run along now, junior. I’ve grown bored and impatient with your willful ignorance and your stupidity.

    It’s not about my leg. It’s about your inability to learn and accept facts, so, again, I’ll quote you: “deal with it.”

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    wahwahwahhhh my broken leg! wahhh!

    “You know not a thing about the law”

    I don’t see you proving that assertion.

    Look, you’re free to run away at any point. You have failed to raise a single salient argument in this entire exchange beyond projecting onto other people and completely missing the point at every turn. You are a waste of life.

  • JoseCuervo

    I love how everyone proves you wrong.. but you keep responding and sounding dumber by the day.. hilarious. Must suck to be you and be wrong all the time.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Ignorant, irrelevant post!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    you’re making baseless assertions.

  • gbpuzzler

    As for my calling Trayvon Martin by his first name…Oh, brother! Are you ever grasping at any straw possible. Yes, I have some sympathy for the situation that he found himself in, as you obviously have sympathy for Zimmerman for some reason.

    Although Zimmerman’s attorneys found it to Zimmerman’s advantage to make the claim, I find the “poor, weak, helpless, Georgie” claim to be ridiculous. It is highly likely that Zimmerman had the advantage in strength and fighting experience. He was 40 pounds heavier than Martin, and in general, the heavier person would be expected to be stronger than the lighter person. In addition, young men, on average, don’t reach their peak strength until around age 23. Martin, who had just turned 17, was years away from reaching his physical peak.

    In addition, Zimmerman had been taking martial arts classes for over a year. Despite what the defense would have you believe, he may not have been the gym’s star pupils, but he certainly would have gained something from the lessons and workouts, in terms of both fighting techniques and general physical conditioning. And, he had worked as a bouncer for private events, showing that he had some strength. In fact, he was fired because he had caused a woman to be injured.

    While it is likely that Martin was required to take high school PE, there have not been any reliable claims that he had a lot of physical training or training in fighting skills. His general condition had been described as average. So, the chances are that Zimmerman had greater strength and fighting skills.

    And I did not (and do not now) claim that Martin was banging Zimmerman’s head “gently”, I claim that he was not banging Zimmerman’s head at all. No witness saw it. The flailing motions described by a couple of witnesses do not indicate head banging, which would require Martin to be moving both arms together, not alternately or randomly.
    The minor injuries to the back of Zimmerman’s head were caused by his hitting them against something (the edge of the sidewalk, a sprinkler head, etcetera) ONCE, This may have been caused by his being shoved, hit, slipping on the wet grass, or in some other way.

    Since the head-banging is a fiction, your last objection is moot. The screaming continues until right before the gunshot, which means that Zimmerman would have been concentrating on pointing the gun where he wanted it and shooting, which is a situation in which a person is unlikely to be letting out terrified screams. Martin, who was probably trying to escape, is the likely screamer.

    I agree that Zimmerman is not that smart. But a careful examination of his story shows that he thought about elements that would be immediately apparent or would quickly become known. It checks out with some elements in what was said by witnesses, but fails in many other respects.

  • doesntevenmatter

    Why would someone on top of someone be screaming for help in the first place? Listen to both of their voices, it’s not hard to figure out.

    And again, you didn’t pay attention to the trial, or the evidence.

    And if you read the original police report, you can see where Zimmerman kept saying that he was screaming for help but no one would him. That was before a tape even existed.

  • doesntevenmatter

    LMAO yeah right!

  • doesntevenmatter

    Clearly, you didn’t do your homework. It was part of the original police report.

    And Jon Good also, the closest and most credible witness, said it was him also.

    If you watch the original news coverage, before it became a media circus that made Martin the poster boy for racism (ironic, seeing as how he was the only one using racial slurs and had a reputation for being racist), you can see it presented in an entirely different way.

    That is why the Chief of Police was fired, he refused to serve the warrant because it was illegal, he was told it didn’t matter, and they knew they would lose in court, but it was about preventing a riot.

  • doesntevenmatter

    I feel like I am talking to a retarded teenager.

    No, someone holding a gun isn’t itself a threat. If your hunting and see someone with a gun, you can’t legally attack them.

    In law, certain factors have to exist. And Zimmerman wasn’t holding his gun, he was carrying it, legally, in its holster. If it was legal to beat someone to death simply because they have a gun, then by those standards it should be legal to shoot someone who comes close enough to you, to prevent it.

    People have shot themselves in the head and survived, doesn’t make it a good idea.

    In law, the aggressor is no longer the aggressor once the threat no longer is there. When Zimmerman got out of the truck, Martin had fled. Martin became the aggressor when he returned to attack Zimmerman.

    Unlawfully detaining them? He was attempting to make visual contact. Sorry to burst your tabloid bubble. Nothing suggests GZ would “unlawfully detain” Martin other than their “wannabe cop” theory.

    Even if Zimmerman did hunt Martin down and confront him, Martin, Martin displayed depraved indifference when he attacked him.

    Have someone who knows the law explain it to you.

  • doesntevenmatter

    Your an idiot. You are the one copying and pasting crap.

    Anyone who hallucinates can have a bad trip.

    Again, Lean is made in different ways, each person makes it to their liking. Kinda like macaroni and cheese or Kool aid.

    Go find some black people online to ask, I guarantee there are no right wing colleges in Michigan. EMU, where I got my degree, is not even close.

    If you don’t believe I am from Detroit, come here yourself, and I will meet you in the public place of your choice.

  • doesntevenmatter

    You are clearly the one who doesn’t understand law.

    Ever wonder why the Martin’s didn’t attempt a civil trial? They got every penny they could off the kid they pawned off his whole life.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    “No, someone holding a gun isn’t itself a threat.”

    In this context it certainly would be.

    “If your hunting and see someone with a gun, you can’t legally attack them.”

    If I’m walking down the street and someone pulls a gun out, I can defend myself from them.

    “In law, certain factors have to exist.”

    Uh huh. Actually, a person does not need to even have a weapon visible in order to use force against them in self defense.

    “Zimmerman wasn’t holding his gun, he was carrying it, legally, in its holster.”

    You don’t know that he didn’t have his gun in his hand or pull his gun out. You only have his word for it and he has a reason to lie if he were actually brandishing his weapon.

    “If it was legal to beat someone to death simply because they have a gun, then by those standards it should be legal to shoot someone who comes close enough to you, to prevent it.”

    This debate is over whether or not Trayvon had a right to use force in the situation. He did have a right if he believed Zimmerman was a threat and all the evidence indicates that he viewed Zimmerman as a threat of some sort.

    “the aggressor is no longer the aggressor once the threat no longer is there”

    Actually, that’s NOT the law at all.

    “Martin became the aggressor when he returned to attack Zimmerman.”

    Well, you don’t know that Trayvon returned to Attack Zimmerman. You don’t know whether Trayvon actually left the area at all and you don’t know who started the altercation. Based on both Zimmerman and Rachael, Trayvon asked Zimmerman why he was following him. Not a crime to ask the man what his deal is.

    “Unlawfully detaining them?”

    I was listing possibilities that you NEVER considered. You seem to think that it is a fact that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman for basically no reason when you don’t know how the altercation got started. It is certainly a possibility that Zimmerman tried to detain martin based on Zimmerman’s own statements and actions.

    “Nothing suggests GZ would “unlawfully detain” Martin other than their “wannabe cop” theory.”

    1) Zimmerman said that Martin was an “@$$hole” that “always gets away” right before getting out of his truck and pursuing him.

    2) Zimmerman suddenly changed his mind about meeting the police at the mailboxes right before the altercation started.

    3) Zimmerman clearly believed that Trayvon could still be in the area while on the phone with the operator.

    4) There is physical evidence that could indicate that Zimmerman was pulling Trayvon down during the altercation and when he shot and killed him.

    5) The flow of the altercation moved in a beeline toward Trayvon’s home and safe zone, not Torward Zimmerman’s truck.

    6) Based on Zimmerman’s account of the altercation, he had no reason to retreat towards Trayvon’s home. He had a clear vector to his truck and in order to retreat south, Zimmerman would have to be moving toward his attacker, not repealing away.

    “Even if Zimmerman did hunt Martin down and confront him, Martin, Martin displayed depraved indifference when he attacked him.”

    Trayvon had a right to defend himself in that scenario. I don’t see how that is depraved indifference at all. Trayvon tried to communicate as a matter of record while Zimmerman did not by his own admission.

    “Have someone who knows the law explain it to you.”

    I already know the law, apparently you don’t. Why don’t you go look up the law, matlock?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You are!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    “You are the one copying and pasting crap.”

    I want to make sure that you see exactly what I’m responding to.

    “Lean is made in different ways”

    Nobody makes lean with skittles. Skittles take DAYS to dissolve in liquids and then you get a nasty slush that makes your drink nasty.

    “Kinda like macaroni and cheese or Kool aid.”

    Sure, if you substitute plastic lego pieces for pasta or substitute baby powder for kool aide mix.

    “Go find some black people online to ask”

    haha good one. Well about 90% of the people that I know are black. None of them would use Skittles to make LEAN.

    “If you don’t believe I am from Detroit, come here yourself, and I will meet you in the public place of your choice.”

    I’ve already been to detroit. If you don’t believe me, come down to DC and I’ll meet you in the public place of your choice.

    Look, if you think people make LEAN with skittles, try dissolving a bag in some juice and see what happens.

    “Your an idiot.”

    *You’re*

    Look, if you are going to call people ‘idiot’ or ‘retard’ at least use proper grammar. You’re and Your are two different words. Confusing them while trying to impugn someone else’s intelligence just makes you look stupid.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    “You are clearly the one who doesn’t understand law.”

    Actually I do understand law. All you’ve done so far is make baseless assertions.

    “Ever wonder why the Martin’s didn’t attempt a civil trial?”

    Because Zimmerman doesn’t have any money and it would be impossible to collect if he did.

    Ever wonder why Zimmerman waived his immunity hearing?

    “the kid they pawned off his whole life.”

    Nobody pawned him off. You need to go back to the conservative outhouse with your foolish arguments.

  • gbpuzzler

    Well, among other reasons, Zimmerman has no assets.

  • gbpuzzler

    Jon Good was guessing, he couldn’t tell for sure. And I suppose that to you “f**king c**n” isn’t a racist slur? It sure sounds like that’s what he said in police call, not “f**king punks”, which is what he claimed. And you know what? Harassing and calling the police on people because of their race, and in the case of Zimmerman’s treatment of Martin, pursuing and trying to grab someone because of their race, trumps making racist slurs by a lot.

  • gbpuzzler

    Martin had a reputation for being racist? Where did you get that.?

    And the original news coverage does not necessarily paint a more accurate picture than the later coverage. It’s just what happens to be learned first. I bet that the media, at first, didn’t know that the Trayvon Martin shooting followed an established pattern of behavior for Zimmerman of calling the police about and/or harrassing black males in the neighborhood who weren’t doing anything wrong. Except this time, for some reason, he decided to take it further.

  • gbpuzzler

    Why would someone on top of someone be screaming for help? Maybe because he was trying to get away and was being prevented from doing so. Or maybe because the other guy was pointing a GUN at him. Or maybe, their positions had changed and Martin was no longer on top of Zimmerman at that moment.

  • gbpuzzler

    Jon Good was the closest and the only one who stepped outside to see what was happening. But by his testimony, he saw 10-12 seconds in the middle of the altercation, not the beginning or the moment of the shooting. The others reported what they saw, and they saw and heard some things that Good didn’t see.

    Rao originally said that Zimmerman’s injuries were probably due to a single blow. Defense attorney Don West badgered her into saying that there was some chance that it was more, maybe up to 6.

    Rao was testifying for the prosecution, not the defense. Her job was to report on Zimmerman’s injuries and what could be concluded from them (as opposed to Bao, whose job was to examine dead people).

    I’m not sure which of the defense’s special witnesses you mean, but they were being paid by the defense and they presented one-sided half-truths accordingly. The prosecution should have picked apart their stories and didn’t make the effort.

    Your explanation is not quite accurate. Legally, deadly force is justifiable if a person REASONABLY believes that that imminent danger of death or GREAT BODILY HARM. You don’t have a right to kill someone to prevent (or in retaliation for) minor injuries, and you don’t have a right to kill if your belief of danger doesn’t reasonably make sense.

  • gbpuzzler

    Even the defense, let alone the prosecution, never proved any such thing. They never proved that Trayvon Martin returned to the scene to confront Zimmerman. That’s only Zimmerman’s assertion, and defense attorney Don West’s beating various witnesses over the head verbally, to try to get them to say that, versus the testimony of Rachel Jeantel which says that he didn’t.

    Martin did not bash Zimmerman’s head, nor “beat him mercilessly”. Those are also claims that he made, which are contradicted by the evidence.

    Zimmerman was the one who acted “with depraved indifference” for shooting a teenager who tried to fought back after Zimmerman tried to illegally detain him.

  • gbpuzzler

    Did you ever watch the “reenactment” video? The bushes near the T were nowhere near 36 inches tall. And Investigator Doris Singleton, in her testimony, voiced her suspicions that a tall kid like Trayvon Martin would have been able to hide behind them.

    The broken piece of awning was eventually dropped from the investigation because they had nothing to show that either Martin or Zimmerman had ever touched it during the incident.

    And Zimmerman made ONE call to the police about Martin. Other residents called after the altercation got noisy. None of them said anything about anyone peeking into windows.

  • gbpuzzler

    There is NO PROOF that Zimmerman’s nose was broken, since he never had it x-rayed and there is nothing to clearly indicate that it was swollen or tender other than on the actual evening of the shooting. There is also no reason to believe that TM pounded GZ’s head on the pavement AT ALL.

  • gbpuzzler

    I accidentally left out a word there. I meant that Martin DID NOT bash Zimmerman’s head.

  • doesntevenmatter

    Yes they did stupid, that’s why he was acquitted.

  • gbpuzzler

    Gee, how I love it when people put words in my mouth. No, Zimmerman tried to grab or wrestle him, and he was fighting back or in some way trying to get away. And, as I have already established, Zimmerman got a couple of minor injuries when the back of his head made contact with the ground ONCE after he was hit, shoved, or fell.

    And while I am on the subject, I do not believe that Zimmerman was under Martin at the moment that he fired the shot. No witness who came outside or looked out their windows immediately after the shot saw Zimmerman under Martin, sliding out from under Martin, or getting up off the ground. They all saw him over Martin. So if he was under Martin before, their positions had changed by the time Zimmerman fired his gun.

  • gbpuzzler

    False, we know that he WAS scared, and we have no idea whether he thought that GZ was gay. RJ suggested that GZ might be a “rapist” but nothing that TM said indicates whether he agreed with that assessment.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    First sentence of the second paragraph:

    I’ll try to make what I can of the illiterate sentence. I’m gleaning that your understanding is that martin was running away, then acting “super-aggressive(ly)”. Since that’s not what you communicated, absent a clear understanding and clear presentation by you, this is what I’m left to assume:

    Objection, you’re presenting facts not in evidence.

    The rest of your complaints garner no serious consideration within the elements of “justifiable homicide, in self defense”.

    While that’s clearly not what you see, I’m on the side of the law and its correct application. Absent any actual evidence to the contrary, I don’t agree with the decision of the Just Us Department to prosecute on the basis of rumor, innuendo.

    You’re almost as smart as a broken clock. It’s right twice a day. The media did not deal with the facts of the case. It, like the Just Us Department, its party, its propaganda ministry and people like you went forward, against the actual facts of the case and wasted not only the tax payers’ money but needlessly placed a wedge between people of the country for the sake of sensationalism.

    You were wrong and you compounded that by failing to admit you were wrong.

    Shame on you all!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You continue to present unsubstantiated facts not in evidence. It’s a good thing you don’t know a thing about the law.

    You continue to conflate lies (I mean democrat talking points)! What evidence do you have that anybody was given permission or that your claim occurred, “…to detain or shoot that person”? What gives you the right to completely misrepresent the facts, over and over, to offer conjecture in the place of evidence on a settled matter?

    You’re a waste of time.

    The case has been litigated beyond reason, beyond reason not to litigate at all. I don’t have to present a case or to be questioned on ‘what evidence I’ve given’.

    It’s clear that you’re stuck on stupid! I’ve explained not only the facts and the law to you but I’ve done so repeatedly, in so many different ways, it’s clear that you not only don’t get it, you don’t want to get it. You’re truculent, recalcitrant and belligerent, adamantly so. I don’t account to you and neither does the law.

    You’re so light on facts, facts that don’t exist or presenting facts not in evidence and not consistent with the actual facts, consistently presented over and over again, from incident, to the sham of charges filed, to the failed Kangaroo Courtroom farce that did nothing more than put the victim on trial.

    Evidence! Evidence! Evidence, not conjecture!

    You’re mixing up your “facts”. This government, its party and its propaganda ministry did attempt to victim shame, as you now protract beyond reason. This was an exercise in confusing who the thug really was and you continue to fan the flames of deceit.

    You advance a completely debunked false agenda that was once a sensational story and you disallow the facts the ability to get in the way of that great story, that falsified narrative of ‘open season on young black men’. With absolutely no assistance from those like you, the real culprit and the real victims’ roles were more clearly defined by the facts.

    Some of the more obtuse, that’s you, can’t be satisfied when their preconceived notions, their prejudiced presumptions are disproved. I’d pity you but I don’t believe you do so by accident. It is my belief that there is and could never be any level of specificity that would satisfy your prejudices.

    Shame on you all.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Oh, you’re going to define legal terms? You’re clearly not qualified to do so. You are so out of your depth!

    Factually George Zimmerman wasn’t a suspect. He was the victim, the survivor of a hate crime, a vicious attack by a visitor of a guest the victim’s paid residential, gated grounds. That’s going a far step beyond racist and rude behavior for a guest’s visitor. A man was forced to use deadly force to defend himself, while being physically battered, in his gated community. You people have lost any semblance of a reasonable perspective!

    You, sir or madam, have no sense of objectivity; you are not the reasonable man!

    I’d appreciate a serious and literate exchange, if you’re going to continue to address me. First, don’t dictate incorrect, poorly presented, legal definitions of which you have no understanding; second, if you’re going to engage me with any legitimate point, of which you’re about one of twenty, please run your assertions by a person that reads and writes English. Your skill-set is lacking.

    I’m also going to have to ask you to stop using conjecture in the place of facts. While your wild accusations and not well thought out assumptions, not consistent with facts in evidence make perfect sense to you, they are not serious to the sober mind.

    Life is good! I recommend you get one!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I’d already cited the reasonable man’s standard so my shortening of the statute doesn’t require a correction.

    Still, you made my point for me by putting them together.

    As for no evidence, first, you’re just plain wrong and second, the evidence that you’re wrong is the acquittal, even with a farce and a sham of a tribunal that violated the rights of the accused.

    You need to find another lost cause because you keep trying to re-litigate a rightly settled case that wax more an unlawful, malicious, racist prosecution than some travesty that never was. The travesty is that the weight of the whole federal and state government persecuted a citizen on the basis of race.

    As for your pointless post about what occurred, the incident occurred on the grounds of a gated community on which George Zimmerman was not only a paid resident but was also part of a community group organized to be vigilant of those that were not.

    The fact that martin’s father was a guest on the grounds, and invited his offspring, making him a guest of a guest, did not entitle younger martin to not only act rudely toward a resident, fully within his rights, on and about the grounds where he legally dwelt and investigated the goings on, where he knows all of the residents, noting one that was not a resident, but to attack him.

    Factually, it shouldn’t have been admissible, and should have been ruled “hearsay”, the judge allowed a racist remark that goes to the state of mind of the assailant advancing a hate crime against a legal resident.

    You’re still backward!

  • gbpuzzler

    Let me see if this is clearer: Zimmerman, in his many statements and re-tellings of what supposedly happened, claimed that Martin first ran away, then completely changed his behavior, returning to the T and acting extremely belligerent and aggressive. This is close to a 180 degree reversal in his previous behavior.

    This is what Zimmerman reported/claimed many times. And I was reporting that this is what he said. So how is this “presenting facts not in evidence”?

  • gbpuzzler

    Yes, you’re on the side of the law and its “correct” application – as long as it doesn’t result in your hero Zimmerman being prosecuted or sued. And if you recall, the Justice Department decided not to prosecute him, so what do you have to complain about? While you obviously don’t believe it, many people in this country, probably a majority, of all races believed that the Zimmerman’s shooting of Martin was NOT self-defense and that it was appropriate to prosecute him.

  • doesntevenmatter

    But you know he was scared? Sorry. You either have to incorporate all of Jeantels testimony into your assertion or none of it. You don’t get to pick and choose. Well you can, but jurors cant.

  • doesntevenmatter

    No we don’t know that he was scared. If he was scared, why did he return to confront GZ?

  • gbpuzzler

    “The rest of your complaints garner no serious consideration within the elements of “justifiable homicide, in self defense”.”

    Well, if someone makes no attempt to fend off an attacker when his arms and legs are easily accessible and available for use, and then decides that his only recourse is to draw a much less accessible firearm and shoot, many would question whether whether the homicide was morally justifiable. I realize that the precise laws regarding something like this may vary from one state to another.

    Zimmerman’s shenanigans in which he attempted to hide from the judge the fact that he had a duplicate passport, and in which he had his wife repeatedly transfer donated money between different accounts in an attempt to hide the full amount from the court, don’t go to the killing itself, but they do show that Zimmerman is willing to do almost anything to deceive if he decides that he needs to. The same applies to the elements that I mentioned from Zimmerman’s reports of the shooting incident. It is unexpected for Martin to first run away, then return and act extremely aggressive. It is also unexpected for someone to be attacked and not try to fend off the attack. Combined with Zimmerman’s behavior with respect to the money and the passport, in which he was clearly attempting to deceive, it seems likely that Zimmerman would be more than willing to lie about some elements of the shooting incident to make himself look like an innocent victim who needed to defend himself, since it would clearly be to his benefit to create that impression.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! That’s how! This is your 180 degree misrepresentation of his behavior.

    By the way, good choice to change your handle and remove that goofy testament to who you are. No, I don’t mean your posts even if those are pretty goofy; I mean that retarded uncle festers chubby son likeness of you.

    That’s your first step in being honest with yourself. Allow me to be the first to congratulate you.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    This is your account. You’re offering non-facts not in evidence.

    You continue to represent the facts in a slanted light. Who needs the Federal government to order and bankroll a persecution when they could have had you?

    With all of the slanted, misrepresentations of facts by the persecution, they couldn’t convince anybody that wasn’t prejudiced, either.

    You couldn’t be objective if you tried and you’re not trying. “Zimmerman’s shenanigans…” You’re caught up in irrelevance. I’d have hated to be your teacher. Did you have to go to special ed classes?

  • gbpuzzler

    I don’t know what you’re talking about. I have never used any handle other than this one nor any avatar other than the default on this site.

  • gbpuzzler

    “No! That’s how! This is your 180 degree misrepresentation of his behavior.”

    What I said was based on zimmy’s many tellings of the incident, which you have insisted time and again to be the gospel truth. So please tell me: how is it a “180 degree misrepresentation”?

  • gbpuzzler

    The only class I went to which I think were classified as special ed was speech therapy for a slight stutter. Did you have to go to special ed classes?

    I am in no position to order and bankroll a prosecution, which in Zimmerman’s case was very far from a persecution. And why don’t you explain what is a misrepresentation either in my statements or in the presentation made by the prosecution at trial? You just keep repeating, like a broken record, that these are misrepresentation, but you don’t present any reason why anyone should think so.

    No, Zimmerman was not tried for what I called his “shenanigans”. But it did get him a much higher bail amount and stricter conditions during the pre-trial period. And it does illustrate that he is quite willing to be deceitful if he feels that it will benefit him.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You can’t be objective for a second. You side with the real thug, call the victim the thug and assign the ignorant buffoon, George Zimmerman hero status to me!

    The Just Us Department already persecuted Zimmerman. They investigated, advised and bankrolled the trial. They didn’t “decide” not to persecute or prosecute Zimmerman. They took their best shot via the state. It was the Just Us Department that instigated the persecution, to begin with.

    I’m not the one complaining and whining, trying to litigate it all over again. That’s you, doofus!

    You’re an idiot! Most people know that the shooting was justifiable homicide in self defense. You’re as wrong about that as you are about everything else. It’s true that most people wanted a trial. That’s because unlearned people, like you, arrogantly believe you know something of the law but have no idea what the standard of evidence is to indict, a process that was skipped in this case and the standard on which to bind one over for trial.

    You don’t know that nothing really matters until there’s someone straddling a resident’s chest beating and banging his head on the ground, no matter how softly it is to be that you misrepresent the case. Get over it! Deal with it! Cry if you must; obviously you must but there has to come to be and end to it. You need an intervention.

    When the police department did not believe there was case to refer and later the DA did not believe there was cause to charge, that’s where it was to stand. The Just Us Department pressured an unwarranted persecution and you dumb 4$$e$, based on the government’s party’s propaganda ministry’s over-reporting, under-reporting, misreporting and failures to report real facts made up your minds to not only develop prejudices, absent the facts, you later ignored the facts and continued to parrot the rationalizations of ignorance, prejudice, racism and ego. On you go, wasting your insignificant lives on cognitive dissonance, on irrelevant, ignorant arguments.

    The law is the law! Life is good! You should try getting one!

    I’m not going to respond anymore. You have an emotionally based, irrational learning disability and you can’t be taken seriously.

    I’m all done with you. Run along now!

  • gbpuzzler

    “You can’t be objective for a second. You side with the real thug, call the victim the thug and assign the ignorant buffoon, George Zimmerman hero status to me!”

    No, you’re the one who sides with the real thug and calls the victim a thug.

    Zimmerman has a record, both before and after this incident, of violent and bullying behaviors.

    Martin had no such record.

    And if Zimmerman isn’t your hero, then why do you get so incensed every time I even suggest that not every word that he’s ever said about the Trayvon Martin shooting is the gospel truth?

    “I’m not the one complaining and whining, trying to litigate it all over again.”

    I’m seeing plenty of complaining and whining from your end . Since your side won in court, why is it so important to you if people who disagree with the result complain about it? Why is it so important to you to present a dead kid as a thug and Zimmerman as someone totally in the right?

  • gbpuzzler

    The Justice Department has not prosecuted Zimmerman, let along persecuted him. The Florida DA’s office charged him as a result of the public outcry about the case, due to publicity generated by Martin’s parents and their lawyer. The Justice Department did not instigate the trial, much less bankroll it.

    Detective Serino had made a request the Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter. This was ignored and he was punished with a demotion, either because of Zimmerman or his father having friends in the department, or racism, or both.

    So why don’t you give up your stupid baseless rants against the Justice Department?

    “You don’t know that nothing really matters until there’s someone straddling a resident’s chest beating and banging his head on the ground, no matter how softly it is to be that you misrepresent the case”

    And your call me “illiterate” when, due to dashing off a post quickly, I have an error in grammar! This so-called sentence is just as bad!

    You’re misrepresenting me. I have stated before that my claim has nothing to do with whether Zimmerman’s head was being banged “softly”, my claim is that ZIMMERMAN’S HEAD WAS NEVER BANGED ON THE GROUND AT ALL! Let me repeat this, since you seem to have trouble understanding it: ZIMMERMAN’S HEAD WAS NEVER BANGED ON THE GROUND AT ALL! This was nothing more than a lie that Zimmerman made up to justify the shooting, and which the defense later made an effort to get the jury to believe by twisting the evidence.

    You’re the one with the with the emotionally base learning disability! Your unable to think about anything that doesn’t fit your preconceived biases!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You do know that saying “no you….” stopped being an effective come back in 3rd grade; don’t you? What am I saying? Of course you don’t. You just did that!

    First, you can’t call what George Zimmerman had in his background a record. That’s a false narrative. When Zimmerman was 22 he was arrested after a misunderstanding with an undercover agent that he did not know was an undercover alcohol control agent. He thought he was defending his friend. No conviction. That’s not a record. Most of Zimmerman’s contact in the community was positive so you’re presenting bull$#!+, again, in lieu of facts.

    If you want to remember, martin was the guest of his guest, father at the apartment of his father’s girlfriend. You may note that martin was there because he was repeatedly suspended and at that time was again, expelled. Did you forget that he was also returning from the store where he’d purchased the ingredients to a mind altering substance? How do you get past what the testimony that should never have been presented that he called Zimmerman a “Creepy Cracker”?

    How do you explain martin’s myspace and facebook pages that showed what he looked like, with a gold mine in his mouth, posing with weapons…? How, then, do you explain moments after calling Zimmerman a “creepy cracker” straddling Zimmerman punching and banging his head while Zimmerman screamed like a little girl?

    Are you really telling me that Zimmerman is the thug and martin is not? You’re a f’ing idiot with a learning disability. Nothing will change that f’ing sive you’re using for a brain.

  • JoseCuervo

    Well let see….. Zimmerman has been arrested now what 4 or 5 times after that event….. that makes him a thug guy

    but I can see what your focus is.. race.

  • gbpuzzler

    “Most of Zimmerman’s contact in the community was positive…”

    Perhaps, but he had more than the typical number of negative contacts with black residents, involving either harrassing them or calling the police on them just for being there, even though they weren’t doing anything wrong.

    You have revealed yourself to be one of the racist troglodytes willing to spread a bunch of lies in a vain effort to make Trayvon Martin appear to be a thug. He had been suspended, not expelled. Martin’s Facebook page had been hacked after his death by troglodyte zimmy acolytes like you. He had not been “posing with weapons”. His phone contained a picture of a hand holding a gun, with no clear indication of who was holding it, or whether the picture was one that he had taken himself, downloaded from the internet, or been sent by someone.

    The “ingredients to a mind altering substance” claim is a joke. He had a sweet drink and a bag of candy. Many teenagers make similar purchases every day in this country, and 99% of them are interested in nothing more than a sweet snack. The items that Trayvon purchased are not the typical ones used in the substance known as “Lean”, “Purple Drank”, or by other names. And he did not purchase the ONLY active ingredient in the mixture, namely, cough syrup with codeine. There is also no evidence that Trayvon had ever used “Lean”.

    “How do you get past what the testimony that should never have been presented that he called Zimmerman a “Creepy Cracker”?”

    He called zimmy that while running away from him. zimmy called him a “fucking coon” and an “asshole” while chasing him.

    ” How, then, do you explain moments after calling Zimmerman a “creepy cracker” straddling Zimmerman punching and banging his head while Zimmerman screamed like a little girl?”

    How do you get around the fact that zimmy is a liar and TRAYVON NEVER BANGED HIS HEAD? And that there is good reason to believe that HE WASN’T THE ONE SCREAMING? That zimmy made up a story to make the shooting seem justified?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    After, bitch!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Wrong again, democrat!

  • JoseCuervo

    he is a thug and a murderer little man. A career criminal by now.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Regarding Zimmerman’s proven innocence, his unequivocal acquittal, , nothing after matters. He’s not the same guy he was before he was victimized by the real thug.

    Stupid bitch. Always wrong, bitch!

  • gbpuzzler

    Yes, now he’s confident that he can get away with anything! Other than that, he’s exactly the same as before. If he doesn’t get arrested and convicted for something, that doesn’t mean that he didn’t do it. It means that he was either lucky or had friends in the right places.

  • JoseCuervo

    Right right,… after he murdered that kid he has become a victim… your lack of logic is outstanding.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I can’t say George Zimmerman isn’t f’ed up. You ignored that I said he was a buffoon. It’s my belief that he’s always had a lot of need to fit in and since he’s actually a candy4$$, unable to complete self defense training, he has a lot for which to try to compensate

    That’s not consistent with whom he was before this life altering incident and you shouldn’t try to make the claim that he’s the same if the evidence does not support your biased assertion and he’s not your mental patient. You are unqualified to make that assertion. You don’t have the education or the training to contradict evidence.

    You have a series of poorly thought out, unsubstantiated opinions. Get real!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    First paragraph: Completely wrong! Top to bottom!
    Second Paragraph: Completely wrong!
    Third Paragraph: You supply the stupid rants! You’re ignorant and won’t accept facts. The Just Us Department pressured the whole persecution, to begin with and guaranteed the State that if they were unsuccessful, they’d pay the state the money they were out and they did. They also said that if unsuccessful, they’d prosecute on the basis of civil rights violations. Couldn’t happen! Didn’t happen!

    Yes, I call you illiterate, especially if you think you can defend your illiteracy with that sentence. While it may have gone long, it’s still correct. Here’s a suggestion. Don’t go “dashing off a post”. It’s bad enough that you can’t think anything through but when you’re caught speeding under the influence of illiteracy, ignorance and stupidity, that’s the trifecta.

    Oh, you’re the arbitrator of evidence! You alone know the facts and the physical evidence is just something George Zimmerman manufactured to support lies. You should be in the fortune telling business! martin tell you that from beyond the grave; did he? Why did we bother with investigations when we just needed to ask you? Silly criminal justice system!

    You’re an idiot if you think you can tell me something as if yelling it at me in caps. You’re a fool!

    This is clearly an obsession and you need help. My advice to you is that you get some.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Sure! Call the repressive, regressive, racist democrats “liberal” and “progressive”. Demand tolerance while spewing ignorance, intolerance and bigotry!

    Call those concerned with the Constitution, with free speech, freedom of religion, with personal responsibility, with personal sovereignty, with Freedom of Religion and Liberty a “right wing” just because it’s not a left wing concept!

    Then you can call natural rights like that of self defense and machination “murder”. It’s another day with with pretty, catchy words adopted as a credo, like “forward” to explain backward, divisive principles like identity politics, the politics of envy, demagoguery and racism, causing those that work to toil harder, longer, for less, to provide for those that do not, under force of law, absent choice, absent charity, usurping good will and call that “fair” and “equal”.

    Misrepresent tyranny for the illusion of “fairness”, taking from one for another. Call success and meritocracy greed. Take, take and take some more while libeling those you rob as “not paying their fair share”.

    Lincoln’s argument against the democrats’ war for slavery was best said when he paraphrased Genesis 3:19 saying, ‘I will not eat by the sweat of another man’s brow.’ How is laboring and toiling by the sweat of a free man, woman or group’s brow, for the sake of those that can but choose not to not slavery? For a group that’s adopted the mantra of the 4 year old, “that’s not fair”, how did that become fair? How is that equal protection under the law? What makes that equal opportunity?

    Sure, call it “murder”! Add your redefinition of the English language to your rewriting of history meant to defame moral people with moralistic, fallacious manipulations. File that with democrat math and democrat economics. Add that to the bastardization of psychological diagnoses of real illnesses like homophobia a real neurosis defined as the irrational fear of homosexuals and homosexuality.

    Nowadays, given the advancement of the despotic left wing ganging up with the alphabet agenda, you can’t call concerns about oppressive, bigotry of that group irrational, if not fearful.

    In the wake of that sort of upside down thinking, go ahead and call self defense murder! Everything else you say is stupid, too!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You won’t learn and you continue on your fallacious narrative. You’re just wrong about everything, all the time. It must be hard. It’s extremely boring! Blah, blah, blah, blah, lying 4$$ blah. Get over it! Move on! Get help!

  • gbpuzzler

    You should follow your own advice.

  • gbpuzzler

    All of this has very little to do with the Zimmerman case except for one thing: the whole reason that it happened was Zimmerman’s lack of respect for Trayvon Martin’s most important right of all: the right to keep his life as long as he didn’t threaten the lives of others. Zimmerman could have stayed in his car rather than running after a black teenager who wasn’t threatening anyone. He could have returned to his car after being advised to stop following. He could have tried to explain himself to Martin in an unthreatening way. He could have tried to end to altercation in a less lethal way. But he did none of those things, and had no regrets for his actions afterwards. Why? Because he had no respect for Trayvon’s life. In his mind, Trayvon was a thug whose life didn’t matter, just because he was Walking While Black.

  • JoseCuervo

    “Lincoln’s argument against the democrats’ war for slavery”

    LMAO you are a fucking moron. Lincoln now a days would be called a stinking liberal. The MAIN reason Abe freed the slaves was because he needed more men for his army during the war. If anyone remembers correctly Lincoln was actually a liberal republican. The rolls and beliefs of the parties changed dramatically after the civil war. Conservatives have always been FOR slavery . In the Revolutionary War, conservatives were the tories. Conservatives have been parts of different political parties over the years, including the Dixiecrats of the Democratic Party (because the party of Abraham Lincoln was anathema to southerners for over a century), but nowadays conservatism and the Republican Party are one and the same. The beliefs of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Dwight David Eisenhower would be met with jeering open hostility by the Republican Party today.

    Lincoln believed that the words of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were meant to evolve toward the inclusion of every human being within the Union in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happines. Without a doubt, he would have been a liberal Democrat today. He made his name in the Illinois legistlature by speaking out against the Mexican-American war as an excuse to spread slavery in new US territories. (can you say “ANTI-WAR LIBERAL”?!?) Yet, he was backed by radical Republicans and abolitionists (America’s first “bleeding-heart liberals”) to beat the South. Southern Democrats absolutely HATED Lincoln and even accused him of being half-black. Today, those same Southern Democrats would be conservative Republicans.

    Though Abe Lincoln wouldn’t have been as far left as say, Dennis Kuicinich, he would be a typical mainstream liberal Democrat today. Think Russ Feingold or Dick Gephardt. It is reversed today, but back then republicans were almost always liberal. The Emancipation Proclamation is arguably the most liberal move by any president in US history.

    Now, going back to your claim that Lincoln was a gainst the democrats’ war for slavery

    “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything” Abraham Lincoln, 4th Lincoln-Douglas debate, September 18th, 1858

    Yeah, that sure sounds like an argument against slavery, said no one ever. In one of the supreme ironies of history, Lincoln was forced by circumstances to attend to what he called “the nigger question.” And within five years he was enshrined in American mythology as “the great emancipator” who freed Blacks with a stroke of the pen out of the goodness of his heart.

    [all bullshit]

    Since that time, the mythology of “the great emancipator” has become a part of the mental landscape of America. Generations of schoolchildren have memorized its cadences. Poets, politicians, and long-suffering Blacks have wept over its imagery and drama.

    No other American story is so enduring.

    No other American story is so comforting.

    No other American story is so FALSE.

    Abraham Lincoln was not “the great emancipator.”

    The testimony of sixteen thousand books and monographs to the contrary notwithstanding, Lincoln did not emancipate the slaves, greatly or otherwise. As for the Emancipation Proclamation, it was not a real emancipation proclamation at all, and did not liberate African-American slaves. The White House, said the Proclamation “did not … whatsoever it may have appeared to accomplish, liberate a single slave.”

  • gbpuzzler

    And I suppose that you are qualified? What a joke!

    On second thought, he has changed in a couple of additional ways. He has developed a tasted for being in the spotlight, even if it makes him look like a thug. And he has discovered that he can get a bunch of racist acolytes to donate money by shooting a black teenager and then boo-hooing about what a victim he is.

  • gbpuzzler

    zimmy never was helpless. He’s always been a bully with the ability to push people around, as evidenced by the fact that he’s worked as a bouncer.

  • gbpuzzler

    Care to ask someone a little more objective whether or not your posts contain a bunch of rants? I guess this is an example of it being difficult for a person to see his own biases, but in this case you are truly blind.

    “Yes, I call you illiterate, especially if you think you can defend your illiteracy with that sentence. While it may have gone long, it’s still correct.”

    Let’s see. we were talking about the “sentence”:

    “You don’t know that nothing really matters until there’s someone straddling a resident’s chest beating and banging his head on the ground, no matter how softly it is to be that you misrepresent the case.”

    This seems to look like it was going to be a sentence, until you get somewhere between 7 to 9 words from the end, and then you add one or two fragments that just don’t fit in.

    “You alone know the facts and the physical evidence is just something George Zimmerman manufactured to support lies. You should be in the fortune telling business! martin tell you that from beyond the grave; did he?”

    I am far from being alone in interpreting the facts in a way that is very different from what you claim! The facts were cherry-picked by the defense and by the zimmy acolytes, to select those that could be twisted and tortured into “supporting” his story. And no, Martin did not tell us that from beyond the grave. Although there are things that are unclear, especially about some of the details of the altercation, a careful examination of existing evidence reveals enough to make it clear that the true story is very different than zimmy claimed.

  • gbpuzzler

    Neither political party has ever taken a stance on this case, so there are no “democrat talking points” here.

    The so-called “facts” that you keep on explaining to me are that (according to you) I am stupid and that everything I say is wrong. But you say that you don’t have any obligation to present a case or to back up any of your ;claims. Tell me, if you don’t, what reason do I have to believe any of what you say? And what right do you have to tell me not to say what I believe to be the case, or even to speculate on what I think may or may not be the case?

    You accuse me of being a “waste of time”. But you are being a massive waste of time with your verbal abuse that is devoid of reason or facts. Hasn’t anyone ever told you that this is rarely a good way to convince anyone that what you say is true? It seems more likely that you are trying to cover up for not having anything more convincing to say – or that you can’t face up to the fact that you don’t.

    And you are coming across as someone who can’t deal with having their preconceived notions and prejudices challenged.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    The federal government, its party, its propaganda ministry and its mindless parrots forced a closed matter to court. Don’t tell me that this is not political and that the race pimping White House and Just Us Department not only pressured the State’s Attorney in Florida to advance the prosecution without benefit of a Constitutional Grand but did so after finding no reason to prosecute.

    You democrat jack4$$e$ can’t get your racists 4$$e$ past the fact that you want a race war. You want to believe that there’s an open season on young black men that doesn’t exist.

    You can poll poll every one of you left wing-nuts and round it off to about 100% and some of the left wing lite-republicans and find they believe as you do, irrationally! You believe that even with the force of all levels of government, there was a miscarriage of justice because you want it to be so, with no evidence whatsoever.

    Not reading your bull$#!+. You need to get a life. Stop trying to re-litigate a case that’s already come out right, a case that had no business going forward at all.

    The kangaroo court trial went above and beyond the rule of law to allow a non-existent case and still came up a loser.

    Stop being a sore loser. Just stop!

  • JoseCuervo

    You are wasting your time with Libertarian Soldier….. this old man only has a list of buzzwords learned from the tea party manual…. and a litany of insults.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I’m more qualified than you are. Do you have a law degree? Have you studied constitutional law most of your life? I didn’t think so.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Racist! Race pimp! Liar!

  • gbpuzzler

    What, I have a “racist” attitude that causes me to stick up for a black teenager who is falsely being painted as a thug? I would advise you to dig up an old textbook and look up the concept of “projection” and seriously ask yourself whether it may apply to you. In fact, maybe you should take your own advice and reach out for help so that someone with more expertise than you can help you see your own issues better.

    In fact, I was interested in cognitive science over psychology. I wanted to learn about research and the science of the mind, not about treating people. And part of what was emphasized was having respect for data. Which means not ignoring whatever evidence is inconvenient, as you and your ilk do.

    I have never said anything about a conspiracy of half-Mexicans that represent white privilege or anything of the like. In fact, I haven’t said anything about zimmy’s ethnic background on this site. That is something that you are simply making up to justify your claims about me.

    If you haven’t been able to put my points together into a narrative, I’ll try to do it sometime if you wish. The fact that my posts mostly address specific points in the posts that I am answering has hindered my doing this.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’re a low information, low intelligence racist and you’re so busy calling everybody else one, you don’t know even know your racism is what brings everything back to your racist attitude.

    That’s projection! You don’t know you need help to escape your obsessive behavior and mindset. You do!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Bblah, blah, blah, blah, blah! Get help!

  • gbpuzzler

    One correction to this post: I wanted to say that I was interested in cognitive science over clinical psychology (both are psychology).

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You wouldn’t know objective if it gave you the 4$$kicking you need to start thinking straight.

  • gbpuzzler

    Oh wow, I’m really impressed by all the name calling that you;re doing in reply to my posts. Talk about juvenile!

  • gbpuzzler

    I doubt that you have a law degree. You should ask for your money back. Where did you study constitutional law, on libertarian websites? If you really have those qualifications, you sure don’t show it.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Don’t pretend you don’t hear it all the time.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Quick! Change direction! Victim shame some more! Take the attention off of your racist demeanor and your race pimping!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Doubt all you want. Hastings, 4$$#0L3! I’m still working on my PhD. Where did you get your imaginary PhD? I don’t believe you have one because you have no critical thinking skills.

    You’re trying to litigate from the peanut gallery on a settled case where you’re out of your depth, where you want to use race to explain the event, the verdict and the basis to shame the victim. You’re nuttier than a fruitcake, claiming a PhD in a bastardized “humanity”, more artsy fartsy than science.

    My PhD will be specialized and a new conversation that will change the baseless, mindless distractions used by left-wing manufactured, nonexistant “rights” not consistent with the Constitution. I can recite the the charter and the compact by memory, through and beyond the Bill of Rights.

    My research has to do with the restoration of Constitutional and natural law principles, specifically having to do with conflicting rights and prevailing rights.

    Natural, God given rights trump, prevail over leftist, manufactured rights. It calls for the courts to return to Constitutionalism, to prevailing rights held in the original Bill of Rights that prevail over the unnecessary, less worthy devices that are mistaken as rights that the left is so dependent upon to divide the country against the rights every citizen is meant to enjoy, including the rights against government interference that disallows the right of citizens to success and failure on on their own merits.

    You won’t find much in the way of this course of study because it’s specialized. Hardly anybody is publishing on conflicting rights and fewer still on prevailing rights as resolution. The correct mechanism is the prevailing rights, a term you’ll be hearing about, soon enough. I’m already published!

  • gbpuzzler

    And what’s the name of this “specialized” field in which you claim that you will be getting a Ph.D.? Are you getting it at an online “university”? And is your “research advisor” a libertarian also? And what is the basis for claiming whether something is a “prevailing right”? Sounds like a philosophy based on wishful thinking and refusing to acknowledge that the Constitution was always intended to be a growing, changing document, that if it wasn’t one, this nation and its government would have collapsed and been replace long ago.

    As for my own PhD, yes, cognitive science is a discipline that has borrowed from several fields, but it is far from “artsy fartsy”. It makes use of a number of scientific techniques, including experimentation techniques, mathematical modeling, and brain imaging. And the field is based on observations that can be measured and statistically analyzed.

    Your criticisms are based on very shaky ground, considering the fact that you claim to be working on a PhD in a made-up, purely subjective area.

  • gbpuzzler

    Oh yes, and in answer to your first question: My actual PhD is from the University of California at Irvine. I haven’t decided where I should go for my imaginary PhD.

  • gbpuzzler

    Expressing a contradictory opinion in a case where a “not guilty” verdict has been delivered is not re-litigating it. There are many cases in this country in which juries have delivered questionable verdicts on either side, and anyone has the right to continue to discuss the case and express their disagreement and what could have been done better by the attorneys and speculate on whether that might have made a difference. They don’t need your permission to do it, Mr. High and Mighty.

    And the fact of zimmy not getting a guilty verdict does not and never has made him the victim in this case. That status goes to Trayvon Martin, the person who was actually killed.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Don’t you read?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You already have an imaginary PhD. If you paid for it, which is also imaginary, you should get your imaginary money back.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’re the best example of stuck on stupid to support your narrative. You people sure like to lie, to rewrite history, misrepresent everything, redefine the language, democrat math, democrat economics, democrat ethics, democrat law, democrat everything, everything but facts.

    Run along joser, the poser…

  • gbpuzzler

    zimmy was never the victim.

  • gbpuzzler

    I read just fine. What about you?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Wrong, as always.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Wrong again! The law and the jury actually tried very hard find him guilty of something because like you, they don’t like him, you because you’re a racist. Them, because like you, they have no relationship with the law. The law is and should be dispassionate and not nutty as a fruitcake.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Wrong again! Oh, Irvine, the peter and ant eaters! If you’re going to make something up, you might as well pick a crappy school to explain your poor critical thinking skills and pick a field that explains why you’re crazy!

  • doesntevenmatter

    There is no proof it wasn’t broken either.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Except photos! Broken; probably! Not broken; not likely! Irrelevant, anyway; Absolutely! Pavement, ground! Irrelevant distinction!

  • doesntevenmatter

    It wouldn’t matter. A judgment would vindicate them in court and George Zimmerman wouldn’t be able to withhold testimony. It would also issue a legal judgment which means that until it was paid he would never be able to get a lump sum of money, a tax return, sell a painting for thousands of dollars etc…..Clearly the Martin’s put more effort into profiting from their sons death then they did raising him, even putting a trademark on his name. They sure were quick to seal his school records and cover their gang tattoos though.

  • doesntevenmatter

    Listen to it again, there was even a couple of shows that slowed it down so you can hear it more clearer. George wasn’t “harassing and calling the police on people because of race”. His grandmother is black. His mother is biracial. He dated black girls, one who he took to prom. He has black friends, one of whom he was in business with. He was raised alongside his cousins who were black, he mentored black youths, he helped a lot of black people. There were a few neighbors who spoke out for him, who were black.

    Besides, NO ONE says “coon”. I think that’s an old Southern racial epithet anyway.

  • doesntevenmatter

    LOL, obviously you don’t understand law. Whether or not George Zimmerman has money is irrelevant. By trying him in a Civil Court for one, he would not be able to plead the fifth, he would have to testify. And if they won, which there is no way in hell they would because in a court of law you have to prove “beyond a reasonable doubt” in a civil court the burden of proof is merely “more likely than not” so all GZ would have to prove is that he was more likely not at fault and it was self defense. IF the Martin’s won, they would be able to collect any tax returns or future sums of money George made, like the painting he sold, and garnish his wages.

    As far as him being pawned off, again, you didn’t do your homework. His Mother kicked him out at least three times, which she says in interviews, and it was mostly his stepmother who raised him.

    Speaking of baseless accusations, you assume that my stance on this one case determines my entire political outlook? No, it really doesnt. I am not a Conservative and I can’t stand most of them. I’m a minority and I wouldn’t vote Republican because they don’t serve my interests. I do however have a degree in Criminal Justice.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    if he does not have money, they can’t collect. Going to court costs money. It isn’t worth it to go to court to pursue him when he doesn’t have any money or hope of legitimate income.

    “And if they won, which there is no way in hell they would because in a court of law you have to prove “beyond a reasonable doubt” in a civil court the burden of proof is merely “more likely than not” so all GZ would have to prove is that he was more likely not at fault and it was self defense.”

    In civil court the standard is the preponderance of the evidence, einstein. To win, the family would have to prove that Zimmerman was the cause of Martin’s death by a PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE and that had zimmerman acted more reasonably by staying in his truck and not following martin, martin would be alive. Zimmerman’s own statements about martin both before and after he left the vehicle would be very strong evidence against him. It doesn’t even have to be proved that Zimmerman factually murdered martin. The family would have a MUCH STRONGER case in civil court than the state had in a criminal one. Get out of here. I’ll demonstrate.

    CRIMINAL (!): Zimmerman has NO burden of proof. The state has to 100% prove that he committed murder.

    CIVIL: Zimmerman has the burden of proof that he was not responsible for the altercation that led to Martin’s death while the family has the burden of proving that Zimmerman’s actions are most likely what caused the altercation.

    In the criminal trial, the prosecution had the burden to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. Just because they failed to do that doesn’t mean that the family would fail to win a civil trial which has a much lower standard. The reason why they sued is because it isn’t worth it. They would actually LOSE money even if they win because Zimmerman has no money to collect and likely never will.

    Why do you think Zimmerman WAIVED his immunity hearing? Because THAT is based on a preponderance of the evidence and had he had an immunity hearing and prevailed, he would have walked scott-free without having a criminal trial and it would be impossible to file a civil suit. I’ll tell you why, because Zimmerman would LOSE under the preponderance of the evidence. In a criminal trial, there’s enough reasonable doubt that he might get off, but he would have to testify in an immunity hearing and he would not survive being questioned on he stand. That testimony would be used against him in a criminal trial as would the fact that he lost his plea for immunity.

    “His Mother kicked him out at least three times”

    Where’s your proof?

    ” I am not a Conservative and I can’t stand most of them.”

    Well you know what? Your arguments and erroneous beliefs come word for word from the conservative outhouse, so I’m calling it like I see it.

  • gbpuzzler

    He killed an unarmed teenager. That provides a fairly good reason why a lot of people wanted him to be found guilty of something. He’s not a victim, he’s a killer.

  • gbpuzzler

    What forced the matter to court is that the parents of Trayvon Martin and their lawyer pushed to publicize the case after the Sanford police department had closed it when it didn’t deserve to be closed. Detective Serino had recommended that zimmy be indicted for manslaughter. The publicity resulted in a large public outcry on a national and even international level.

  • gbpuzzler

    Sorry to bother your rants with some actual facts, but if you add the Democrats to the moderates in this country, you get a majority of the people.

  • gbpuzzler

    “I’d already cited the reasonable man’s standard so my shortening of the statute doesn’t require a correction.”

    Since it changes the meaning in a way that matters, it is important to continue to acknowledge that word. Someone doesn’t have the right to use deadly force to defend himself based on some ridiculous paranoid fear that only exists in his own mind.

    “As for no evidence, first, you’re just plain wrong and second, the evidence that you’re wrong is the acquittal, even with a farce and a sham of a tribunal that violated the rights of the accused.”

    zimmy’s rights weren’t violated, and the acquittal isn’t evidence that I’m wrong. There are many court cases that end up with wrong results, often because of sloppy work by investigators or attorneys.

  • gbpuzzler

    “As for your pointless post about what occurred, the incident occurred on the grounds of a gated community on which George Zimmerman was not only a paid resident but was also part of a community group organized to be vigilant of those that were not.”

    Neighborhood watch encourages residents to keep an eye out and to call the police if they see suspicious activity. Although Trayvon Martin wasn’t doing anything illegal, zimmy was well within his rights in calling the police, and many would argue that the principles of Neighborhood Watch would have encouraged him to do so.

    What Neighborhood Watch specifically encourages people NOT to do is to go running after suspicious people, and especially not to do so while carrying a gun. zimmy was specifically acting AGAINST the principles of Nieghborhood Watch as soon as he left his vehicle. zimmy was using Neighborhood Watch as an excuse for playing his own very lethal game of cops and robbers, rather than trying to act within its principles.

  • gbpuzzler

    “The fact that martin’s father was a guest on the grounds, and invited his offspring, making him a guest of a guest, did not entitle younger martin to not only act rudely toward a resident, fully within his rights, on and about the grounds where he legally dwelt and investigated the goings on, where he knows all of the residents, noting one that was not a resident, but to attack him.”

    Your repeated insistence that Trayvon Martin was a “guest of a guest” rather than simply a “guest” is a distinction without a difference. The distinction has no bearing on anything related to the shooting incident.

    And when residents who lived near where the shooting occurred were interviewed (which was a couple of blocks away from were zimmy actually lived), some said that they didn’t know Zimmerman, and the rest said that they recognized him from the Neighborhood Watch presentation at the HOA meeting, but weren’t acquainted with him other than that. As much as zimmy claimed that he knew all the residents, it just wasn’t true.

    And let’s examine your later assertion a little bit more closely. Trayvon Martin notices a man whom he doesn’t recognize following him in a vehicle. Since he doesn’t know why the man would follow him, he finds his behavior “creepy”. Later, he sees the man again, this time on foot. So, according to you, his first thought should be “This man might be a resident, so I need to be polite to him”? And you are claiming that Trayvon’s question “What are you following me for?” was, under the circumstances, rude and inappropriate? And that zimmy’s response of “What are you doing around here?” should have been regarded as appropriate and an adequate and reassuring answer to Trayvon’s question? And that when zimmy tried to grab Trayvon, Trayvon should have thought “Since he is a resident, it would be wrong of me to fight back in order to get away?”

    zimmy did not wear anything identifying him as either a resident or as a member of Neighborhood Watch, nor did he say anything to Trayvon to indicate his membership in either of those two groups. Trayvon had reason to see him as a threat. And until he received reassurances to the contrary, which did not happen, it was appropriate for his reaction to that threat to override a requirement of being polite to residents.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Your racist views keep you from understanding. Now that you’ve been shut down time after time but refuse to understand that the law is the law, that even when the system is presented in a biased, unconstitutional, oppressive, overreaching way, it still works.

    So, you win! You’re right! That racist bastard had no right to defend himself! He had no business using a gun since his head was being banged on the ground so gently, he might have actually put scratches and bump on there, himself! He’s an evil genius! He got away with murder and you know better than everybody, better than a legal experts, better than a jury that wanted to convict him, even with a government from state to federal government, its party, its propaganda ministry and it’s mindless parrots that continue to re-litigate the case!

    Congratulations! You’re just awesome! All better, then?

  • gbpuzzler

    Yes, “coon” is a rather old racial epithet that is no longer commonly used (so far as I know). But I’ve listened to the tape many times, and that is what it sounds like. He might have learned it from others who used the term.

    None of the other things that you said show that he wasn’t harassing black residents. And the phone calls are a matter of record. He made 40+ phone calls to the police concerning black people who were in his neighborhood. The vast majority of them, if not all, were doing nothing wrong.

    And if you think that you can tell something about people by who they choose to associate with, he was good friends with Frank Taaffe, a neighborhood resident who sometimes did commentary on the case for one of the cable networks, and whose commentary was exceptionally vile in its racism and sexism. Ask yourself why someone would choose a person like that as their good friend.

  • gbpuzzler

    The defense didn’t have to prove anything. It was up to the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It was up to the prosecution to explain what the charges meant and how Zimmerman’s actions fit those charges. Instead, they left the jury hanging. They couldn’t find Zimmerman guilty of manslaughter because they didn’t understand what it meant and exactly what was required for Zimmerman to be guilty of it. They also seem to have assumed that Martin being on top of Zimmerman made the case for self-defense, even though that wasn’t necessarily the case.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    It’d be great if you were smart enough to know what you’re saying. As for how it must suck, not at all! It could be worse; I’m glad I’m not you.

    Run along, now, princess! Go play with the other little girls.

  • JoseCuervo

    You wish you were me. I bet you were one of those people that were screaming to any that
    could hear that Obama brought Ebola into the US and that we were all going to
    die…. LMAO.. well, we are still here, a year later, no
    outbreak…….. I love how everyone is shitting on your stupid weak arguments. You have nothing of substance to add to any conversation. As you keep proving again and again, all you have are insults and tea party buzzwords. Which really is a reflection of your weak mind and your lack of education.

    “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”- Socrates

  • JoseCuervo

    Ironic, questioning my intelligence but can’t even use a semi colon correctly.

    Look at your cute princess line, how many times have you used that same lame little line now? Originality is another one of your weaknesses. So cute.. run along princes he says… ohhh you got me now. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

  • Libertarian Soldier

    So, what’s new, loser?

    Run along, now josephine!

    I’m tired of your fagotry and your stupidity. I don’t know what you’re talking about with your ebola rant. That’s OK. You don’t either.

  • JoseCuervo

    LMAO.. thanks for proving my point nincompoop.. it’s like talking to a mentally handicapped child with tourrete.

  • JoseCuervo

    Spoken like the true bigot you are . Bravo!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Whatever you say

  • Libertarian Soldier

    “…go running after suspicious people…” It’s interesting how you inject your own spin and mis-characterizations to take you off the path, to arrive at your own racist, adulterated, preconceived notions.

    Furthermore, there is no evidence that anybody was running, that and that your adjoining “specifically” argument about “while carrying a gun” is made up from front to back. Leave your biased, racist opinion out and you will arrive at the correct legal conclusion, “Not Guilty”.

    You’re welcome.

  • gbpuzzler

    What gang tattoos? The one with the name of his mother and the one with the name of his grandmother? Lots of people nowadays have tattoos, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are gang members.

    And Zimmerman will never make a lot of money by selling his paintings. He creates them by painting new colors over copyrighted pictures. The owners of the copyrights tend to object when someone tries to get a lot of money by doing that, and they are quite willing to sue for their cut.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! Just no, from top to bottom. Made up; faulty logic; if any; victim shaming; presenting unsubstantiated, biased assumptions and claiming they are facts!

    So, No!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Why can’t zimmerman’s claims be trusted? What proof do you have, other than your own conjecture, that zimmerman “chased” martin?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! “What forced the matter to court is…” NBC’s altering the recording of George Zimmerman’s 911 call to appear to be racial profiling.

    You can’t keep lying to advance your fallacious, racially biased narrative! Stick with the facts and stop injecting your race pinmping into it. You do know that this case was resolved some time ago.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s an interesting story. I particularly like how you only used the “creepy” half of the racist statement, “creepy cracker”! I also like how you interjected whether the residents knew Zimmerman, not whether Zimmerman, a community watch leader, knew who the residents were and were not.

    You’ve been dishonest throughout this thread and finally spewed your racist opinion, that this was your personal slant on the event when it was factually, from the testimony of Trayvon Martin’s friend, that the event was motivated by a racist mindset of the perpetrator, Martin. Your bias continues to be dehumanizing of the real victim and friendly, intimate toward the perpetrator.

    There was no justice meted on the day Zimmerman was acquitted because the prosecution was unjust.

    Justice for Trayvon Martin was precipitated by Trayvon Martin’s unrelenting attack on George Zimmerman because George Zimmerman acted within the law to defend himself from the not only an imminent attack but one that was being accomplished and anything before that is inconsequential to anyone but you ignorant racists that continue to bend reality and dishonestly represent a false narrative based on your own baseless conjecture.

    Shame on you! Get over it! Get help! You claim to be a Psych PhD! You’re an obsessive, racist nut job unable to move on, unable to accept reality and you need help!

    Life is good! I recommend you get one!

  • gbpuzzler

    Another popular meme of the mindless zimmy acolytes. The matter was forced to court by events that happened before that recording was ever broadcast. And if they had made no cuts at all, it would have made zimmy look even worse, because it would have included the “f**king coons” and “those assholes, they always get away” mutterings.

    Furthermore, this claim really doesn’t fit in with your oft-repeated claim that the Justice Department forced the matter to court. Are you really claiming that that the Justice Department acted on something that sounds vaguely like racial profiling, without even bothering to listen to the whole recording? What a joke!

  • gbpuzzler

    Don’t you think that Zimmerman realized that an x-ray confirming a broken nose would tend to strengthen his self-defense claim, at least somewhat, and an x-ray showing no broken nose would tend to weaken it? While it is true that we can’t tell for sure, this seems to be a case where absence of evidence is evidence of absence. I believe that Zimmerman’s decision not to get an x-ray of his nose shows that, regardless of what he said, he realized that his nose was probably not broken.

  • gbpuzzler

    ” I also like how you interjected whether the residents knew Zimmerman, not whether Zimmerman, a community watch leader, knew who the residents were and were not.”

    It is quite possible that a person A would recognize a person B even though B doesn’t recognize A. But it is unlikely that there would be many people for whom A recognizes the person but is not recognized at all by him or her. In this specific case, there may be a few people that zimmy would have recognized even though they didn’t recognize him. But it is unlikely to be the case of everyone who was interviewed. Face it, in claiming that he knew who all the residents were, zimmy was self-deluded at best and lying at worst.

    It is also worth asking: even if zimmy was legitimately able to recognize Trayvon Martin as a non-resident, why did he immediately make the jump to “intruder”, instead of figuring that he was likely to be, say, someone visiting a resident?

    And you are wrong. Trayvon Martin was not the perpetrator, and the incident was not precipitated by his mindset. It was precipitated by the mindset of zimmy, who assumed that a black youth walking through the neighborhood was a “thug” and that it was up to him to round him up for the police. Trayvon Martin, who died, was the victim, not zimmy, who suffered minor injuries. The death of Trayvon Martin was not justice, it was a crime!

  • gbpuzzler

    ” I particularly like how you only used the “creepy” half of the racist statement, “creepy cracker”!…

    … it was factually, from the testimony of Trayvon Martin’s friend, that the event was motivated by a racist mindset of the perpetrator, Martin.”

    You accused me of dishonesty when you are being dishonest. In here testimony, Rachel Jeantel spoke of Trayvon Martin’s wanting to avoid Zimmerman. When asked, she made it clear that she was convinced that he did NOT want to attack Zimmerman.

    And you ignore the fact that Martin was not the only one using derogatory terms for the other. Zimmerman had said “fucking coons” or “fucking punks” (depending on whether you go by what it sounds like on the tape or you believe what Zimmerman admitted to). Later, he said “Those assholes, they always get away”.

    So let’s examine the context of the remarks and what they tell us about the actions of both Martin and Zimmerman.

    Martin called Zimmerman a “creepy-ass cracka” in his conversation with Jeantel. Immediately after that, he ran away from him at Jeantel’s urging. His remark indicates why: he ran away because he found Zimmerman’s actions “creepy”.

    In the months prior to the incident, Zimmerman had made several police phone calls after seeing people whom he found “suspicious”. When he said “Those assholes, they always get away”, he was referring to those people, and lumping Martin in with them. Soon after saying this, he left his vehicle to follow Martin. His remark strongly suggests his reason for his action: he was trying to prevent this particular “asshole” from getting away.

    It is inconsistent of you to claim that Martin’s remark predicts what he would do a few minutes later, and ignore what Zimmerman’s remark tell us about what he did immediately afterwards.

  • gbpuzzler

    I didn’t say “Thank you”.

    zimmy described Trayvon Martin as “suspicious” in his phone call to the police. Soon thereafter, he left his vehicle to follow him. He was armed with a loaded gun at the time. By following with a loaded gun, he was in violations of the principles of Neighborhood Watch, regardless of whether he was running or walking.

    And we do know that he was following him, since he answered in the affirmative when the dispatcher asked him whether he was following. It is also likely that he was running, although that probably can’t be proven for sure.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    It’s telling that you like the word acolyte since you’re a racist acolyte for whom we know was the real racist and his devoted followers while you dehumanize the real victim who suffers from what occurred. Nothing has been the same for either but while George Zimmerman was doing his duty, your beloved, Trevyon Martin was committing a hate crime for which justice, instant karma, whatever you want to call it was served!

    So, all you not just Monday morning quarterbacks but years late quarterbacks, stuck in a time warp, who want to give yourselves dis-honorary law degrees to re-litigate a settled matter, by injecting racism and projecting and transferring it not only on the victim but excusing the exact opposite person whom precipitated his own justice, the perpetrator.

    I keep telling you, get over it! Get a life! Get a clue! Get mental health!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Get out of the Way Back machine!

  • gbpuzzler

    The real victim had very little time to suffer, since he died within a few minutes after being shot.

    Zimmerman may have been doing his duty when he called the police from his car. He stopped doing his duty when he got out of the car and tried to follow Martin, because he shouldn’t have been doing that. And, he was failing to do his duty even more when he did not return to his car after being advised to stop following by the police dispatcher. He would have been doing his duty by returning to his car and meeting the police at a prearranged location.

    While Zimmerman was doing his duty, Martin was simply walking in the direction of the townhome where he had been staying, and talking on his cell phone to his friend, Rachel Jeantel.

    I have never “tried to give myself a law degree”, dis-honorary or otherwise. That would be you. I didn’t have to inject racism into this case. It was there from the beginning. Martin’s death at the hand of Zimmerman was not justice, it was a crime. And you want to excuse the person who committed the crime. And I have every right to continue posting here if I wish.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    We have a verdict, based on the evidence you’re incompetent to re-litigate. Justice for Martin was served in Sanford, FL when an angry, racist young man did not stop beating a screaming man the assailant had already called a “creepy cracker” and that man defended himself by using the deadly force necessary to stop the attack, according to the law and according to the jury that acquitted him.

    Your reassigning, your transference, in your own mind, of victim-hood, for race sake doesn’t mean $#!+!

    Everything else is your opinion, an opinion not supported by facts. Your a racist and you’re absent a sense of reality. Find a mental health care worker and deal with it!

  • gbpuzzler

    I’m pretty sure that there is NO jurisdiction in this country that has the death penalty for any crime less than first degree murder. And I also seem to remember that death sentences for minors have been ruled unconstitutional. It is not justice for a 17 year old to be killed for inflicting a few minor injuries on another person during a scuffle. Zimmerman acted as judge, jury, and executioner for an act that would never have received anything like a death sentence if it had actually been litigated – and might have been considered self-defense if Martin had had a chance to tell his side of it.

    Tell me, did they teach you in your imaginary law school classes that the death penalty sometimes applies to a case in which someone caused minor injuries to another person – and with no trial or opportunity to consult with a lawyer or enter a plea, no less? In these imaginary classes, what did the give as an explanation for why something like this would be considered “justice”?

  • gbpuzzler

    “Justice for Martin was served in Sanford, FL when an angry, racist young man did not stop beating a screaming man the assailant had already called a “creepy cracker” and that man defended himself by using the deadly force necessary to stop the attack, according to the law and according to the jury that acquitted him.”

    For someone who, according to you, “did not keep beating a screaming man”, the injuries that he was inflicting were extremely minor, and there is NO reason to believe that deadly force was necessary.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Irrelevant! Inapplicable! Not consistent with the law! An argumentative mis-characterization of the facts!

    You wonder why nobody understands you, Why the jury could not convict. Factually, had that jury voted for conviction, if the verdict wasn’t thrown out for a mistrial, it would have been overturned on appeal.

    You can mitigate the physical and circumstantial evidence and you can nullify the testimony, in your mind but that’s not reality, not that you have any relationship with reality, anyway but you’re disgustingly racist which colors your processes and keeps you cycling back to patently false statements that you think support you prejudiced judgement of an already over-adjudicated non-case.

    You started with a prejudiced belief, based on racism, alone and backed whatever struck you as supportive to what’s become an obsession. You repeatedly misrepresent the facts, telling half truths, mitigating what the facts tell us, mis-characterizing the process and every other fallacious narrative you can muster.

    You think you’re a lawyer and a PhD of psychology but you’re deficient at either. You’re sick. You need help. The first thing you need to do is get away from your computer and see a mental healthcare professional, a real one, one that graduated from a school, not one that’s made up diploma from a left wing racist, anti-American institute like Irvine. By the way, that’s the only claim you’ve made that garners any credibility that you went to school, at all, since that institution is as ignorant as you.

    So, please stop embarrassing your racist, prejudiced, irrational self and let it be. You’re not doing anything but cycling back, taking yourself deeper, further into your neurosis and frankly boring the hell out of me.

    Denial isn’t a river in Africa. It’s what afflicts you. Seriously, get help and save me from having to explain this to you, repeatedly while you repeatedly try to re-litigate a settled case with dishonest rationalizations of what you want reality to be.

    Deal with it. If you can’t, get help and stop embarrassing yourself.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’re the one that’s always hitting on me! That’s not bigotry, that’s just letting you know I don’t engage in fagotry.

  • gbpuzzler

    Inconsistent with the law? How is what I said inconsistent with the law? You keep calling it “justice” that Trayvon Martin was killed, yet Zimmerman had only been slightly injured. Why is it justice for someone to be executed, without a trial, for slightly injuring someone? That is what seems to me to be highly inconsistent with the law.

    “You wonder why nobody understands you, Why the jury could not convict. Factually, had that jury voted for conviction, if the verdict wasn’t thrown out for a mistrial, it would have been overturned on appeal.”

    Actually, it appears to me that some of the people posting at this site understand me pretty well. As for the jury, the prosecution gave them a jumbled story and incomprehensible instructions. While it’s not possible to know for sure, it is quite possible that they would have convicted on manslaughter with clearer instructions. And what is your basis for claiming that the verdict would have been overturned on appeal?

    “You think you’re a lawyer…”

    No, that’s you. You claim to be a lawyer, but your posts on this site make that hard to believe.

    “The first thing you need to do is get away from your computer and see a mental healthcare professional, a real one, one that graduated from a school, not one that’s made up diploma from a left wing racist, anti-American institute like Irvine.”

    So you claim that you know how to diagnose mental health issues, without any benefit of a credential. Sorry, you have no idea what you’re doing.

    And UCI is a well-respected institution, and the Cognitive Science Department, in particular, is a respected one. 30th in the nation for Psychology programs overall, higher in some specialized areas. And while many universities in this country tend to be on the liberal side, this is no more true of UCI than many others.

    However, the department from which I got my PhD is a research psychology department, not a clinical psychology department. I do not have a credential in clinical psychology, and have never implied that I do.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Not even reading anymore! You’ve wasted enough of my time with your sickness. Don’t want to feed it anymore!

    Run along, now!

  • JoseCuervo

    Yup, good old bigot. You don;t engage in anything apparently. Just dumb ass intrnet arguments with everyone here. LMAO… And everyone shits on you, it is hilarious. Must be sad to not have a life outside this thread.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Why because I’m not into your Hose, sucking? You have a right to be the biggest BloWeenie you want to be. Nothing to do with me. Why don’t you call me homophobic or something, like the rest of your ignorant ilk that think you can become instant mental health care professionals and diagnose homophobia.

    You’re not even literate. How are you going to pull that off?

    You call me bigot because of your affliction! That’s the sex pervert calling me names! That’s exactly as stupid as you in-correcting me about my punctuation!

    Rage on, josephina

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Run along, now, Sybil!

  • gbpuzzler

    No, not all better. Why should I consider it “all better” when you continue to falsely attribute a view to me, after I have pointed out at least twice, very emphatically, that this isn’t my actual view? Are you simply unable to read, or do you somehow believe that if you repeat it often enough, I will get confused and agree that yes, this is what I said?

    To repeat again: my view is that Trayvon Martin DID NOT bang George Zimmerman’s head on the ground AT ALL, gently or otherwise. The tiny injuries to the back of his head may have been caused by falling or being shoved against the sidewalk or a sprinkler head a single time.

    Oh, I get it! Maybe you’re suggesting a new hypothesis that I didn’t consider before! Maybe Zimmerman gently hit his head against the sidewalk so that he could point to the injuries and claim that Martin caused them, so that he could claim self-defense! LOL

    And as for your first paragraph: you have no right to present me from posting my views. And someone who claims that it was “justice” for a 17-year-old to be put to death, without benefit of trial, after causing another person to get some minor injuries during an altercation has no business lecturing someone else about failing to understand that “the law is the law”.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Stopped reading your crap weeks ago. Just answering generally because you are unable learn, because you view everything through your racist, irrational, dishonest colored glasses.

  • gbpuzzler

    I’m busy calling everyone else a racist? I think if you look through previous entries and count, you’ll find that you called me a racist more often than I called anyone else a racist. And what’s even more telling is that what is more likely than anything else to trigger you calling me a racist is if I even hint that Zimmerman’s version of events is not the gospel truth, or that either the DA’s office in Florida or the US Justice Department had even the slightest reason to doubt that Zimmerman did everything out of the goodness of his heart and there may have been even some tiny indication that the shooting wasn’t 100% a case of self-defense. And this will happen even if I say nothing about race, racism, or racial profiling in my post. So tell me, why is this, hmm? What is it about this case that makes you assume that the only possible reason to have any doubt in the goodness of Zimmerman’s actions or the truthfulness of his words is racism on the part of the person making that claim?

  • gbpuzzler

    He didn’t return to confront GZ. GZ kept looking for him, and eventually turned up near where TM was.

  • gbpuzzler

    His use of the word “creepy” in his description of GZ implies that he was scared or at least felt uncomfortable about GZ following him.

    I’m not sure what you think I need to incorporate, but what I got from ALL of Jeantel’s testimony is that TM was scared or worried about GZ following him, ran away, and then continued to talk to Jeantel. He had NO wish or intent to get into a physical confrontation with him. When he again saw GZ (this time on foot) near where he was, he asked him “What are you following me for?” After a couple of exchanges of words, during which GZ never explained why he was following TM, TM’s phone sounded like it had fallen in the grass, and she heard TM say “Get off! Get off”, suggesting that GZ had done something to provoke him, perhaps tried to grab him.

    (Actually, I have some suspicion of what you think I need to incorporate, but just in case I am mistaken, I’ll let you say it more explicitly before I respond to it.)

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Racist! There’s one more time! Do you have a count, now, racist? Whoops; one more!

  • gbpuzzler

    It’s clearly easier to say that than to say anything that even remotely answers my question. But go ahead, keep on making yourself look like a mental midget.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Failure to grasp the law, physical evidence, the most copious explanations, the most clear concise, relevant clarifications from multiple accounts, even those carried by the prosecution, that instead make the defense’s case and you’re still race pimping, still using obfuscatory half-truths, fallacious insinuations and irrelevant non-truths and just plain lies to support a long lost argument based on your divisive, racist theories based in some conspiracy of race that you and your kind inject into a case of another racist perpetrator of the real hater, the real racist, committing the real hate crime meeting instant karma, instant justice!

    Get a clue! You’re in denial! Get help to deal with your irrational, lost relationship with reality.

    Justice for thuggery precipitates its own demise once more and you champion the perpetrator for hate’s sake for race pimping’s sake and you call names like “mental midget”! As if! Experiencing some transference? Maybe some projection? Since you’re not qualified to treat yourself, perhaps you can find somebody that doesn’t have an imaginary PhD, maybe a psychiatrist because I’m fairly certain your racist heart has damaged you physiologically, as well as mentally.

  • gbpuzzler

    You continue to make yourself look bad with your mindless name-calling. Do you actually believe that by hurling the same insults over and over again, you make yourself more believable?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    There’re quite a few things of which I’m certain. One is that I’m not the only one “name calling” but my “name calling” is more pointing out facts. Factually speaking, I’m also certain that you’re impervious to learning and “hurl”, since that’s the term you like, repeated, irrelevant, nonsensical, fallacious, subjective, statements as if it might change the facts, change the outcome.

    I’m completely unconcerned with whether I’m believable by you. Your opinions are all over this page so my credibility, which is based in nothing but fact remains intact while you fail to accept justice, either conceptually, legally or philosophically. You need help.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    He resorts to hurling insults when he’s out of gas. This exposes his thin-skinned emotionally sensitive nature. That’s why I stopped debating with him after I completely buried him in the debate.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Wrong again! I do not have to go through the laundry list of irrelevance and dishonest inaccuracies when it’s all irrelevant, dishonest and fallacious! Again: Irrelevant! Dishonest! Inaccurate! Misstatements of non-fact! So, you want to apply martin to the general statement of “4$$30L3s” always getting away with something. He didn’t know it then but if you want to include martin, I’ll agree that though it’s irrelevant and a stretch, martin did turn out to be an 4$$#0L3! You’re half a smart as a broken clock. It’s right twice a day! Ding, ding, ding! Spit that skin tip out and have a cigar! OK, since you’re special:
    First paragraph: Irrelevant! However, it turns out martin was a ‘f’ing punk and an 4$$#0L3!

    Next two lines: Wrong! Yes! We do know that! You’re dreaming if you believe that zimmerman, against any idea of any other confrontation that zimmerman attacked martin by pulling him down on top of him. Don’t people with the intent on killing get the gun first before they pull someone down on top of them? Is this how you fight?

    I find it safe to say that martin willfully placed himself over zimmerman and that zimmerman did not pull martin down on himself, take martin’s fists and hands and pummell himself or smother himself with martin’s hands, didn’t pull martin’s hands down to grab his hair and cause him to bang his own head on the ground. In what alternate reality do you live?

    Next line: Yes! One of these two was a paying member of that gated community. The other, “a guest” and not a paid resident, “SON” of another guest, not a paying, not a registered, not a resident, both, only there for a week, attacked the resident he’d just moments before referred to as a “creepy 4$$ cracker”. Legally, morally and in every way possible, that makes it a racist, hate crime!

    Next irrelevant, baseless, unsubstantiated, dishonest argument: There is absolutely no evidence, none, whatsoever to suggest that T. Martin was defending himself. His words and his actions made clear by multiple testimony by the victim of a hate crime, by eye and hearsay evidence, the hearsay part that should not have been admissible, that factually makes the case and corroborated physical evidence that designates t. martin as the perpetrator and g. zimmerman the victim of a racist, hate crime.

    Your own subjective, baseless, unsubstantiated, already pre-impeached testimony doesn’t make your claim any kind of factual anywhere but in whatever you’re using to fail to process facts.

    Irrelevant! Dishonest! Inaccurate! Misstatements of non-fact!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Look who’s actually 4$$ Damaged! I made you change your name! I own you! You even took my name as if you were my wife.

    We do know that! A general statement that the 4$$#0L35 always get away doesn’t apply to martin, even if he was an 4$$#0L3. He didn’t get away.

    The duplicitous, ignorant, dishonest argument that is corrected by the acquittal is proof! You’re taking my name is proof I own you.

    I’m actually starting to have feelings for you. The only one that can call you a fat, ugly, bald bitch is me! I own you! You ain’t pretty but you’s mine!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Re 4$$#0L3: When did 4$$#0L3 become a racist remark? Don’t cops call everybody 4$$#0L3? Doesn’t everybody call you that?

    Re: We do know that martin was witnessed on zimmerman’s chest. There is not a shred of evidence to show anything different except whatever’s wrong in your head.

    Re: Zimmerman was “on his own grounds”, in a place, on the grounds, on the common private streets of the gated community where he was a resident. Is that clear enough for you?

    The disingenuous, ignorant claims made by you are duplicitous and I believe deliberately so because nobody is that stupid. Never mind. Maybe I should take that back.

    Let’s use some smaller words so you can keep up:
    The grounds, that includes the common areas, the walkways the streets, the grassy areas are provided and included in the cost payed by the owners of the condos’ HOA and the renters registered as tenants on the grounds.

    How about you stop trying to misunderstand things as start trying to understand and not to confuse things?

    I rest my case!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You should see somebody about your learning disability.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    First off, if you’re going to say that something is irrelevant or wrong, then it is up to you to say why. Basically I’m absolutely right, but you don’t have the cerebral fortitude to disprove my statements, so you make blanket declarations instead of actual arguments.

    “One of these two was a paying member of that gated community.”

    The other was the SON of a paying member of that gated community. What’s your point? Trayvon had just as much right to be there as Zimmerman did. Also, don’t forget that Zimmerman DID call Martin an ‘a$$hole’ that ‘always gets away’ and a ‘Fing Punk’. On top of that, look at Zimmerman. He looks and acts like a ‘creepy cracker’

    ” Legally, morally and in every way possible, that makes it a racist, hate crime!”

    No it doesn’t. Trayvon was describing a creepy man that was following him around and staring at him. Hate crime has to do with motivation, not statements of description.

    “There is absolutely no evidence, none, whatsoever to suggest that T. Martin was defending himself.”

    Hey, Zimmerman was the one that left his truck and ran after trayvon when trayvon tried to move away from him, remember.

    “that factually make the case and corroborated physical evidence designate t. martin as the perpetrator”

    No it doesn’t. Theres actually no evidence that Trayvon actually started the altercation. It is literally just Zimmerman’s word against a dead teen that he killed.

    Anyway, since you’ve FAILED, yet again, to prove me wrong, just run along or something and get a life.

  • gbpuzzler

    “So, you want to apply martin to the general statement of “4$$30L3s” always getting away with something.”

    Why else would Zimmerman have said this when he did?

    ” You’re dreaming if you believe that zimmerman, against any idea of any other confrontation that zimmerman attacked martin by pulling him down on top of him. Don’t people with the intent on killing get the gun first before they pull someone down on top of them? Is this how you fight?

    I find it safe to say that martin willfully placed himself over zimmerman and that zimmerman did not pull martin down on himself, take martin’s fists and hands and pummell himself or smother himself with martin’s hands, didn’t pull martin’s hands down to grab his hair and cause him to bang his own head on the ground. In what alternate reality do you live?”

    Even assuming that Jon Good was correct in seeing Martin on top, he didn’t see the beginning of the altercation. So there are at least two additional possibilities: that during a move that one of them made during the early part of the altercation, one of them slipped on the wet grass and fell down, bringing the other down also, with Martin ending up on top of Zimmerman, Or, Martin may not have been on top at first, but had managed, temporarily, to gain that position.

    And in what alternate reality do people lie there and let someone give them the pummeling that Zimmerman described, and not try to use the hands to fight back? And in what alternate reality do they get that kind of pummeling and only get the slight injuries that Zimmerman got? If Martin was really pummeling him that way, he either was really bad at hitting or not trying to hit hard at all. Face it – the only evidence for Zimmerman’s pummeling is Zimmerman’s claims, and the physical evidence does not bear it out.

  • gbpuzzler

    “So, you want to apply martin to the general statement of “4$$30L3s” always getting away with something. He didn’t know it then but if you want to include martin, I’ll agree that though it’s irrelevant and a stretch, martin did turn out to be an 4$$#0L3!”

    Well gee, there were only two people there at the time. Do you think that he was referring to himself? After all, he certainly showed himself to be an asshole, and he ended up getting away with it, didn’t he?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re the one that can’t articulate a salient counterpoint, corky.

  • gbpuzzler

    Your name calling based on facts? Far from it. Your name calling is just plain name calling.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Your denial is a fact!

    denial /de·ni·al/ (dĭ-ni´il) in psychiatry, a defense mechanism in which the existence of unpleasant internal or external realities is keptout of conscious awareness.
    Dorland’s Medical Dictionary for Health Consumers. © 2007 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.

    de·ni·al (dĭ-nī′əl), n.

    An unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.

    Your transference and your projection are facts! Your subjective, irrelevant, dishonest assertions incompetently attempt to controvert the facts that ended in the only objective result, you know, the one you rail against, on and on, the fact that your whole thesis is based in racist, subjective fantasy.

    “Psychological Projection: Dealing With Undesirable Emotions. Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.”

    This is likely responsible for your irrational obsession. You are obsessed. “ob·ses·sion
    əbˈseSHən/ noun, the state of being obsessed with someone or something.

    “she cared for him with a devotion bordering on obsession”; an idea or thought that continually preoccupies or intrudes on a person’s mind.
    plural noun: obsessions: “he was in the grip of an obsession he was powerless to resist”; synonyms:fixation, ruling/consuming passion, passion, mania, idée fixe,compulsion, preoccupation, infatuation, addiction, fetish, craze, hobbyhorse.”

    Reality has escaped you. Get help!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Basically and in every way possible, you’re wrong. The proof is in the acquittal. You’re another one of the few, the delusional, those in denial of the facts and the subsequent, unanimous verdict! Deal with it.

    Calling the son of a guest isn’t the same as the son of a paying resident. The rental agreement was with one person for one person. Neither was a martin. Come a different way than that because that’s just a lie.

    Your racist repeating and personal reassertion of the racist remark from your racist 4$$ has not a relevant thing to do with your belief that anything other than a threat might have a thing to do with determining whom it was that committed the hate crime. Your personal belief, based in nothing except your own racist proclivities and your own post-trial testimony is irrelevant. That means it doesn’t count, since you don’t seem to know what you’re saying.

    Irrelevant! You seem not to know either a thing about what occurred, absent conjecture, again, your own, irrelevant, post trial testimony from you, the peanut gallery (where the monkeys dwell) and inconsistent with the single account in evidence as to what occurred, according to only one account, yours. What that means, son of fester, is that you don’t get to make $#!+ up and call it evidence. So, again, irrelevant!

    There is all the evidence necessary to prove that someone made a racist statement and a short time later was seen straddling G Zimmerman, beating him and smashing his head on the ground as zimmerman screamed for his life before using his weapon in defense of his life and/or or great bodily harm, which was being accomplished, again, right after the perpetrator was recorded by his own friend making a racist comment.

    The truth is there is more evidence that supports the claim of the victim , zimmerman, than anybody else’s, including yours which, repeat after me, is irrelevant! Did you need for me to explain it, again, in smaller words or with definitions for the big words?

    Did you want to make something else up? This is way past boring and it doesn’t matter how many times you make something up or bring your own irrelevant testimony up, the fact is, you’re a racist and you just want to shame the victim and make him wrong even if he is only half white, you ignorant, uncle fester’s sister looking racist!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    “The other was the SON of a paying member of that gated community. What’s your point?”

    Back to shorter words, since you’re not keeping up: That statement is a lie! No martin was a resident, period. Quit lying and making $#!+ up! You can’t keep telling lies and calling it “intellect”, calling others names. This is not a debate and lies don’t count in a debate, anyway.

    This is my attempt to educte you, an emotional, race pimp developmentally disabled, by the looks of you and learning disabled by every other indication that makes you cycle on the same lies, repeatedly claiming that t martin, to whom you feel some intimate attraction was murdered when that is not the fact and it’s already been proven in a court of law.

    “On top of that, look at Zimmerman. He looks and acts like a ‘creepy cracker’.”

    Here is a racial slur repeated and supported (strengthened, fortified, reinforced) by you, you know the racist credentials (documentation, bona fides) you’re trying to hide, that you keep denying. Calling him a “creepy man” to switch directions and call martin not racist is you! It’s just you! It’s trying to be right when you’re wrong and wrongheaded because of your own racist beliefs.

    “No it doesn’t. Theres actually no evidence that Trayvon actually started the altercation. It is literally just Zimmerman’s word against a dead teen that he killed.”

    Actually, what you don’t want to believe is that the circumstantial evidence matches the testimony (we call that corroborated evidence) so your ignorant claim that there is no evidence is incorrect and biased since it is unfounded and offered by you

    “Anyway, since you’ve FAILED, yet again, to prove me wrong, just run along or something and get a life.”

    What matters is that martin tells someone on the phone that he’s almost at the house, “near the house”, then he’s not. Zimmerman’s testimony and witnesses put him not “near the house”, a house, actually an apartment or condo where neither of the martins were paying rent but had been visiting for less than a week. Interestingly, since you repeatedly rail about zimmerman’s profanity and the guy who it turns our was an 4$$#0L3, possibly a different type of 4$$#0L3 than those he was referring to that rob the complex, to the dispatcher, zimmerman was right. Glad we got that out of the way since martin turned out to be a racist 4$$30L3. All better, then?

    So, martin just materialized, by your explanation over zimmerman while you say there’s no proof. What?

    Concomitantly, you say there’s no evidence that martin attacked or started the attempted murder. No! That’s actually been proven. You cry and whine that zimmerman got out of his truck. So what? So? What? All that says is that zimmerman got out of his truck while he was still on the phone with the dispatcher. He also agreed to meet the police at the curb and testifies he was headed there when martin reappears. From both phone conversations, it is far less likely that zimmerman initiated the confrontation. He said he didn’t and I believe him. Nobody said he didn’t! Your “No evidence” claims are empty. There is actually evidence, circumstantial, physical and testimoy from statements.

    You know, it’s funny that you continually whine that I ‘tapped you on the shoulder’ while you were, “enjoying life”. That’s not how it happened. I found your completely bogus response to me that I was never informed was there, in the thread so I don’t see it that way. The fact is, If you’ll go back to the first statement I made, the one where you brought your irrelevant, unsolicited pile of word turds to me, that fairly eloquently answers every bit of your irrational obsession. Just go to the top and tell me you somehow ‘owned my 4$$’. That should clear up who’s the retard.

    From your fat, uncle fester looking skull, you spew not just ignorant but willfully ignorant and belligerent insanity you call “intellect”. So, quit wasting my time; you run along. Otherwise, go outside yourself and try to find something not influenced by your racist, soulless, monument to stupidity and while you’re at it, pull your friend Mike, out of your 4$$ one last time and drop it, as if that’s supposed to mean something to an educated man, you f’ing poor excuse for humanity!

    You have the nerve to talk down to normal people not afflicted with your type of despicable racist psychosis!

    Again, run along now, princess! Grow some hair! Go on a diet! Get your fat 4$$ stomach stapled and wipe that developmentally disabled, goofy grin off your grill! Run along! Leave as you came, with nothing of value to offer except your racist, hate based conspiracy theories about black people that don’t know enough to save their lives and protect themselves with civility that would have certainly kept them alive had they not .

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Who rattled your cage? I didn’t summon you! Go as you came, uninvited, with nothing of value to offer. Run along, now princess!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’ve never presented a point of any kind. You’re in denial and you’re obsessed. Get help!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    omg! Change the subject and pepper it with some more racist non-facts (that means lie for you f’ing dimwits)!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    First off, Zimmerman being acquitted doesn’t actually prove anything. It doesn’t prove that trayvon started the altercation. It doesn’t prove that Zimmerman was telling the truth. It doesn’t even prove that Zimmerman is not a murderer. It only demonstrates that the jury had doubt about his guilt within the confines of their understanding of the law, retard.

    Trayvon’s father was living there with his girlfriend. Trayvon had just as much right to be there as Zimmerman. Zimmerman didn’t own the neighborhood. The altercation did not take place on Zimmermans property.

    I haven’t made anything up here. All I’ve done is said that there is no evidence that trayvon started the altercation and it is very likely that Zimmerman started it and presented a reasonable scenario to support my statement, dummy. That’s it.

    How am I racist? Because I’m critical of claims and statements made by a known pathological liar with known and recorded impulse control issues? How does that make me racist when you’re the only idiot that’s talking about race here?

    You claim that there’s more evidence to support Zimmermans claim than anyone else? Zimmerman had the luxury of making his claims against the corpse of the dead teen that he left his truck to chase and ultimately kill, in a dark alleyway, with virtually no witnesses to 99% of the altercation. Ever wonder why he waived his immunity hearing?! I’m guessing that he would not have survived cross examination since he couldn’t even give the police a straight answer under questioning. Get bent.

  • gbpuzzler

    “There is all the evidence necessary to prove that someone made a racist statement and a short time later was seen straddling G Zimmerman, beating him and smashing his head on the ground as zimmerman screamed for his life before using his weapon in defense of his life and/or or great bodily harm, which was being accomplished, again, right after the perpetrator was recorded by his own friend making a racist comment.”

    There is precisely zero evidence that Trayvon Martin beat George Zimmerman and smashed his head on the ground. Nobody saw him do it. The physical evidence and the very minor injuries that he received that night don’t back up his claim. Zimmerman is not noted for his truthfulness in general. The likelihood that he was about to be killed or to suffer great bodily harm was close to zero. And the wording of the comment that Martin made to Rachel Jeantel over the phone is irrelevant.

    “The truth is there is more evidence that supports the claim of the victim , zimmerman, than anybody else’s,…”

    Again, there is just about zero evidence that supports the claim of the perpetrator, Zimmerman, that Martin beat him and smashed his head into the ground, and that Zimmerman was in imminent danger of being killed or suffering great bodily harm. The actual victim, Martin, was dead and couldn’t tell his version of the story.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I’ve presented several points but you’re apparently too stupid to actually read and address them. so from now on I’ll just clown your retarded ass.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I’m so tired of “First off…”! You’re an obsessed racist. Read your own posts. You make racist statements and want to know why you’re a racist? Probably something in your upbringing! t martin got his justice. g zimmerman was acquitted! Deal with it! Get the f’ over it! Live with it or get help. You’re just wrong and wrong headed. Your prejudices won’t allow you to get past being wrong.

    Get help!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Griz2000is forever my slave is no longer forever. Now she’s forever my bitch, my property; I own her!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    What have I said in my conversation with you that has ever been racist, dummy? Seems to me that you’re the racist here because you’re the only person talking about race and are throwing around base accusations when I prove you wrong on something.

    Zimmerman was acquitted? So? OJ was acquitted 20 years ago. People still get to call him a murderer. Zimmerman is no different. Anyone has a right to call him a murderer or be critical of his behavior and his obvious lies. Deal with it, retard.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’ve presented nothing! You just fall back on stupidity and make believe, the same make believe $#!+ you make up as you go along and you call me retarded! You are what you look like speaking of clown. You look like fester’s little sister! Fat little bald dumb 4$$ with a racist outlook that won’t let you see past your stupidity.

    You don’t actually believe you’ve made point besides the 3″ thing you’re using to impersonate a man. Get over it! You started wrong! You’re still wrong and you haven’t made a relevant point that wasn’t coming out of your 4$$.

    Perhaps you can find one in what I’ve written to take the place of the one you flushed! Run along, now, princess! You’re not just ignorant and racist, you’re incapable of learning; you’re willfully ignorant. That’s what we call stupid.

    You have outdone the trifecta. You’re not just a fat, bald headed, androgynous clown, you’re a willfully ignorant, racist, fat, bald headed, androgynous clown!

    That’s no way to go through life, princess! Get a clue! Get help! For pete’s sake get the f’ over it and get over yourself!

    Again, live is good, get help and get one!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You keep calling me racist, but have yet to show me to be racist. That tells me that you know that you’ve lost the debate and now you’re mad. That’s why you’re full of nothing but attempts to personally attack me retard.

    You’re wrong and I’m right and your reaction shows that you know that I’m right but you’re too childish to accept that you don’t have the cerebral fortitude to win this debate, dummy.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Irrelevant! Can’t you say anything based in relevant fact that has something to do with something?

    What in the world does OJ have to do with anything? OJ was acquitted, not because he didn’t do it. OJ did it but the jury didn’t like the LAPD framing him when they didn’t have to. You’d make a good LAPD cop from that case, based on your own dishonesty and your own apparent love of donuts! You’re trying to frame a victim after the fact, after it’s already been over-litigated.

    Again, get the f’ over it! Move on! You can’t make it what you want it to be. Just deal with it but seriously, get help with your racist prejudices.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Irrelevant! That means continuing to argue off the point. Should have just gotten over it!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    It’s a relivant fact that you’re calling me a racist when I haven’t said anything racist here.

    You get the fuck over it. You know where the damn door is. Don’t be angry at me because I’m countering your BS. I was enjoying my damn day and minding my own business until you decided that you can’t accept that I beat you in the debate. Go away, retard.

    You can’t handle that people are calling you on your bulshit and poor arguments. Deal with it.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Also, you don’t get to say that Zimmerman is absolutely innocent because he was acquitted but then call foul because OJ was acquitted. If it is possible for OJ to be a murderer, then it is just as possible for Zimmerman to be one too.

    Don’t split hairs.

    Also Zimmerman is not a victim. Victims don’t leave their truck to chase their ‘attacker’ while armed with a gun BEFORE they are ‘attacked’. Zimmerman was looking for trouble.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Tired of repeating myself, dumb 4$$! Tired of seeing you repeat your dumb racist 4$$! Blah, blah, blah, racist, blah, blah blah!

    You went off the rails when confronted by the facts! Now, that I shoot back at your insolence, you want to be “cerebral”? Run along, now princess, you’ve lost so many times and changed the subject so many times to cover for it, you’re just a boring incompetent that has to wiggle around whenever facts confront you.

    Get over it! You lost. Your racist side lost. It’s all over, been over and all passed you by while you were incompetently trying to re-litigate a settled matter. Get help! Get over it! Get a life! All racist bitching in the world won’t change the fact that justice has been done! Live with it!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You haven’t confronted me with any facts. All you’ve done is use defective logic and poor arguments that I dismantled until you turned into a tightly wound ball of angry.

    You’re telling me to get a life when you’re the retard that came taping on my shoulder after weeks when I wasn’t even thinking about your retarded ass.

    I’m not going anywhere, corky. If anyone is leaving, it’s you. You don’t have the intelligence to win an argument and your responses show that you’re out of gas in this debate.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Also, you keep calling me racist. So I challenge you to prove it, retard.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Wrong again! You’re as addicted to being wrong as you are obsessed with rewriting history and trying, incompetent as you are to re-litigate a settled matter that had no business going to court except racist politics advanced by racists like you! Justice has been done.

    On February 26, 2012, t martin met with instant karma, instant justice. I think it was a Sunday. So, it was at that time that everybody should have accepted justice! That’s what happens when racists attack people that have every right to be in their own gated community and obnoxious, racsit guests of guests decide to punish somebody they’ve just made a racial slur against, then hang up to confront, beat and slam the head of a screaming man into the ground!

    That’s what you get when you take your racist, violence to somebody’s gated community. The aftermath, the kangaroo court trial that never should have been was forced by political racists and they still ahven’t gotten over it.

    YOu’re the poster child for the political racists that don’t know how to deal with a world that isn’t as racist as you are and as racist as you want it to be, so, for your own good, get over it! Let it go! t martin met his justice for the hate crime he perpetrated. He precipitated his own demised and the court, the jury, the rest of the world that aren’t racist know it but you and those like you are stuck in the racist “way back machine” and can’t get out!

    You’re all f’ed up! Get help and get over it!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Acquitted! Get help! Get over it! You don’t even know what the testimony was. Nobody chased anybody. You can’t stop making $#!+ up; can you?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I get to say whatever I want. I’m not part of your delusion. “Don’t split hairs”? What, shave them? What “intellect”!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You get over it. I wasn’t even thinking about you or Zimmerman until you came tapping on my shoulder, retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Fuck off. I was sitting here enjoying my life until you came tapping on my shoulder because you’re a sore loser.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’re delusional!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Agaaaain! Read your own posts. Are you such a racist that you can’t tell when you’ve made a racist comment?

    The answer is yes! You’re a f’ing racist and you don’t know how big a racist you are.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    On February 26 2012 trayvon Martin was murdered by a sociopath that later got away with his crime because idiots like you believed his obvious lies and rallied around him.

    *drops mike*

  • gbpuzzler

    “So, it was at that time that everybody should have accepted justice!”

    Meaning that you believe that when a black teenager with no criminal record and no known history of violent behavior is shot, people should just accept it without any investigation?

    “That’s what happens when racists attack people that have every right to be in their own gated community and obnoxious, racsit guests of guests decide to punish somebody they’ve just made a racial slur against, then hang up to confront, beat and slam the head of a screaming man into the ground!”

    More like that’s what happens when a thug with a desire to feel important decides to follow and accost a guest of a resident who had every right to be walking where he was, then lied and told the police that the guest had slammed his head into the ground to justify an unnecessary shooting.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    How do you tell your shoulder from your 4$$? You look like a f’ing hunchback, fat, bald, f’ing bastard!

    You have not a right or a reason to challenge anybody in the world’s intellect. You’re a non-functional illiterate. You write like a child.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re the one that keeps calling me racist, but have failed to prove it. You’ve failed to prove everything you’ve said. Go away, seriously.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Kindly quote me. I don’t see anything racist in my posts. Why don’t YOU quote me saying something racist, retard?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Quote me saying something racist, retard.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Fact: t martin was killed in self defense while committing a hate crime!

    That’s been held by a jury, in a court of law. By definition, that is not a murder! That is justifiable homicide, in self defense!

    That’s how stupid you are! “*drops mike*”

    The record says that t martin caused his own demise and met his justice on a medium, sultry Winter night and what ever you want to believe, absent any actual facts, you’re f’ing wrong and the record says so!

    Pick that mic up and put it back in your fat, bald, incompetent, delusional 4$$!

    You’ve been served, again and again, retard! F’ing loser!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    First of, you don’t know what I look like. Secondly I’m demonstrably more intelligent than you are.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Tough $#!+ loser! Enjoying your life! Doing what, rolling your fat 4$$ down the hallway to the toilet? Strapping on the feedbag? Spooning goop out of your belly? Picking zits?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Sitting there, rolling in flour, trying to find your pecker! Loser! Baboon 4$$ed loser!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    It’s not like I called you a racist for no reason. I called you a racist because you’re an offensive racist! Deal with it, racist, loser!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Now you want kindly? F’ you, racist retard!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    In your delusional, racist dreams!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    How do you know that trayvon wasn’t defending himself from zimerman? How do you KNOW that Zimmerman wasn’t the aggressor? You don’t.

    The record does not say that Martin caused his own death. He was killed by someone holding a gun. His death was a homicide.

    Again, OJ was acquitted, so by that definition, he was not a murderer. But people still get to call him one!

    Zimmerman is a murderer.

    *drops mike*

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Oh? Well look, when I call someone racist, I can provide proof the instant they ask for proof. You can’t. You’re just calling me racist because I’ve beaten you in the debate and you literally have nothing else but attempts to oersonally attack my character.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No, the racist retard is you. By the way, I find it really original that now you’re calling me retard when I called you that all through the thread and now you have a new word of the week! Good for you! You can learn something.

    We call that projection and transference. That goes right along with your delusions and your denial!

    So, get help and get over it! Move on! Justice has been done! All is good in the world regarding t martin

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Shut up, retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Shut up, retard

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Shut up, retard.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’e pretty well practiced at being wrong! You hven’t had a thing right from top to bottom. Read the thread. In fact, get mom or the teacher to read it to you and explain it to you. I’m tired of trying to educate you. You’re impervious to facts.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Shut up, retard. I’ve thoroughly been right this entire time and now you’re just being a waste of life.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    If I’m so racist, then you’d be able to quote me saying something racist, which you can’t.

    You’re the one that’s projecting. You’re calling me racist even though I’ve never said anything racist here. That’s textbook projection.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Oh that’s original! What happened to all that intellect you were impersonating?

    Loser!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    1) Zimmerman took ten seconds to get from the truck to the T. It takes 40 seconds to walk that distance.
    2) you can hear the rushing wind and Zimmermans footfalls in triple time on the phone call
    3) Zimmermans voice in the call is slightly winded after he stops running

    Zimmerman ran. I didn’t make any of that up.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Loser! Sore loser!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Shut me up, retard! Can’t shut yourself up from making a fool of yourself, f’ing retard, as if you’re normal! Really f’ing funny!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Shut up, retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I’m not going to waste my intellect any further by giving the stupid things that you say, any level of validity, beyond telling you to shut up and go away, retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re the sore loser, retard. That’s why I’m telling you to shut up. I’m tired of you filling my inbox with your retardation.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Not even close, loser! You’re the waste of DNA. Your mother should have left you on the bed sheets!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You know, using “no you” as a come back was old in 3rd grade. So was calling somebody “retard” when you not only look like that but when you’ve been called that so many times by the person you’re using back on. Really original! Wow! your intellect is dizzying! Either that or you don’t actually know what it means.

    F’ing loser!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    If I’m so wrong, then why are you trying hard to attack me personally?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    As far as you know!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    3rd graders spew out random insults like you’ve been doing ever since I owned your ass, retard.

    If you’re such an adult, then why are you trying so hard to personally attack me by fishing for insults?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Loser! Sore loser! You’ve always been the racist loser. You using it as a comeback is projection, in case you don’t know. Of course you don’t know! Sore loser! What are you going to use of mine, next? Anything original? Anything I haven’t used?

    Not likely!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s your own retardation that tires you. I was wondering when that was going to happen. You should wear a helmet to cover that fat, white, bald head of yours. It’s clear that you don’t have the brain power to keep you upright for more than a few minutes at a time. Do you use your tongue and a joystick to type?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I can hear you crying when you say “no you are”! Say Daddy when you say that, fat, white bitch! Can’t even sell you!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re the racist here. I’m not projecting here at all. You’re projecting as an attempt to put me on the defensive. All I’m doing is calling you stupid (because you’re demonstrably stupid) and pointing out that you’re the only person talking about race here, so that makes you the racist by default.

    You say that I made racist comments, where are they?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    More obvious projection from you. You lost this debate a long time ago that’s why you’re trying so hard to personally attack me by projecting onto me.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    By your logic, my unwillingness in arguing with a toddler is MY retardation instead of my having better things to do than argue with someone that doesn’t have anything intelligent to say.

    Consider suicide as a solution to your obvious life problems.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’re the 3rd grader. I’m following suit. Your keen intellect, you know! Telling me to shut up. You’re a loser. You start $#!+, talk $#!+ then you f’ing cry about mistreatment! F’ing loser!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Glad you think so! You’ve done nothing but insult in lieu of intelligent articulate fact finding. There’s not a thing you present that isn’t either punctuated or begun with a disrespectful comment. That’s a loser’s game, loser! YOu don’t even own yourself, you just whine like the bitch you comport yourself to be! You’re a loser! You act like a loser! You call out the dogs and when somebody responds to your bull$#!+, you talk nothing but loser $#!+.

    You have nothing but a losing facsimile of a losing, irrelevant, already settled, already litigated argument. You have no argument. You attempt to argue against fact, law and evidence.

    You’re so lost you don’t even know how.

    The fact is even if a half Mexican named george zimmerman was white, even if he were your flavor of racist, say a KKK arm of the democrat party and he hated or devalued black people, like you, which it’s been proven he is not, he, not the other way around was the victim of a race oriented, hate based, hate crime and the law is, was and will always be with him.

    At the point that g. zimmerman was screaming for his life, screaming for help under the attack of whomever, of whatever race, he is allowed deadly force if he reasonably, according to the reasonable man’s standard, believes that he is in danger for his life or that he is in danger of great bodily harm.

    If I was your type of drama queen, there’d be a place to drop a mic.

    Anything before that point, where he is screaming for his life, even if the assailant were to survive could only be considered in an action against the perpetrator for mitigation. That’s the law. I’m not certain whether you’re noticing the trend but the arguments you refuse to accept are the law.

    It’s fairly obvious that you have some other standard of some illusion of fairness that seems to govern you, that your own personal belief, based on your own biases and racial prejudices, that it is “fair” to inject your own racism into the law but that is not the law.

    Factually, I don’t believe in the hate crime statutes in our country. Crime is crime. Even if g. zimmerman actually chased after t martin, calling him every type of n word, at the point when t martin attacks g. zimmerman and fails to stop when zimmerman does not fight back and screams for help and for the person beating him, slamming his head into the ground, martin only has mitigation.

    There is virtually no evidence outside the fact that g zimmerman was patrolling, as a member of his neighborhood watch, on private property where he pays to live, that garners any suggestion that zimmerman engaged a non-resident, non-registered person on private property that only one of these two were legally registered as a resident.

    All the injections of race; all the unsupported speculations and inferences that g. zimmerman attacked t martin fall by the wayside. It doesn’t matter what we think of either because none of these unproven beliefs amount to anything other than personal will to believe what prejudices motivate them, absent overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

    When I say, ‘even if’, I’m not conceding that g. zimmerman was a democrat, a member of the enforcement arm of the democrats, albeit a KKK member or that he might even be white, all of which I believe have been proven incorrect, even if t martin did profile zimmerman, a half hispanic as a “creepy 4$$ cracker”, even if zimmerman made unkind remarks about the crime wave, not necessarily aimed at martin, from those not registered members of that gated community, it is strictly prohibited, legally, not by racist philosophy, to beat and to endanger the life or long term health of a citizen of this country, so if any person, even a legally registered member of that gated community were to place himself over another person, to beat, smother, curse and smash the head of that person, violently into the ground, that person is committing a crime against a human being, no matter how you vilify that person, no matter how you defame and denigrate the reputation of that person.m Again, the law is the law!

    You most certainly can’t, with any serious legal authority, under the law claim that murder was committed. That is an irrational belief, under the law in any state. You are obsessed and out of reality while you throw around insults to cover your mental challenges!

    Good for you!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Like George Zimmerman, I’m defending myself. That’s a concept you don’t understand. you attack, I defend and you snivel and cry about it! Sore loser!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Just a minute! You’re wrong and you’re doing the attacking!

    You talk all that crap and you want to point the finger? F’ that! You call out the dogs and whimper? Shame on you! If you’re going to attack, expect a defense and don’t start weeping about mistreatment. If you’re an 4$$#0L3 and you are, you should expect a vigorous defense. Don’t act surprised when you get back what you’re giving, f’ing pu$$y!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You lost the debate that YOU started and are resorting to childish insults just as Zimmerman resorted to using a gun in the fight that HE most likely started.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I’m telling you to shut up because you don’t have anything intelligent to say. At this point you are being a waste of time.

    The way I see it. I have a right to rub your face in the mud as long as I’m raising actual points to go along with it. You’re not raising any points and just resorted to flat out childish insults because you lost. So yeah, shut up and go away. I’m king of the mountain here and there’s nothing you’re gonna do about it.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re an idiot. Why don’t you actually go look up the law regarding a hate crime.

    The testimony doesn’t make it a hate crime or a felony, dumbass. There is nothing in the testimony that indicates trayvon attacked Zimmerman, much less attacked him because of his race.

    Also, you don’t understand the law, what burden of proof is or what a jury does. Hey, one of the jurors called Zimmerman a murderer after the trial, so apparently the jury didn’t agree with Zimmerman. But what you fail to comprehend is that Zimmerman didn’t have the burden of proof and his acquittal has nothing to do with whether he was right or whether or not the jury thought Zimmerman was defending himself.

    Acquitted? Ok. Zimmerman is still a murderer tho. Deal with it.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Also, there’s a reason as to why you’re NOT a judge. Zimmerman had his chance to have an immunity hearing with the judge and he refused. The judge also flat out denied the motions to acquit and pretty much every lawyer that followed the trial knew it would be denied based on case law.

    You’re telling me to get over it? I’m not the one commenting on things people said two years ago. That’ll be you, corky.

    Zimmerman got acquitted? Ok, so did OJ. People still call OJ a murderer, so anyone can call Zimmerman a murderer too.

    Zimmerman is a murderer. Get over it.

  • gbpuzzler

    I don’t believe that you have a law degree. Your claims about the law mostly seem to be based on the ignorant claims made on pro-zimmy websites.

    “Under Florida Law, when somebody, in this case (the perpetrator) is straddling somebody else, smothering them, beating them, banging their head on the ground, where it is reasonable to believe that the victim (that’s the one on the ground being beaten, smothered, told to “shut up”, having his head banged on the ground and screaming for help), since you are unclear about this, deadly force is reasonable.”

    Irrelevant to this case since these things didn’t happen.

    “My personal opinion is that the stupid girl’s testimony was hearsay and should not have been admitted but apparently that judge has a different understanding of what Florida law is so I’ll defer to that judge.”

    That shows how little you know about the law. Her testimony is about what she actually said and what she heard during her phone conversation with Trayvon Martin. That’s not hearsay, it’s direct observation. It was up to the jury to determine whether to believe what Martin was telling her.

    “It actually made an already strong case for the defense stronger!”

    It would have been helpful to the prosecution case if the prosecution had handled it more skillfully for impact, instead of letting the defense manipulate the situation so that the jury would forget what was actually said.

  • gbpuzzler

    “This testimony makes the case not only a felony but a hate crime, so that not only does anything preceding the attack on G. Zmmerman by T Martin irrelevant. ”

    There is no evidence except Zimmerman’s claims that Martin ever attacked Zimmerman. What Zimmerman did before the altercation was relevant, and a single word uttered by Martin while running away from a creepy guy who was following him does not turn his later attempt to defend himself against the creepy guy into a hate crime.

    “The jury found that to be true. ”

    Not at all. They just couldn’t find “guilt beyond a reasonable doubt” using the definitions that they had been given.

    “…the crap that you keep clouding this site up with is irrelevant to the law unless you can prove that G Zimmerman was actually beating T Martin and banging his own head, punching his own face, smothering himself while screaming for help just so he could fire his weapon one time in order to kill T Martin.”

    There is not the slightest need to postulate such a ridiculous hypothesis. There is no physical evidence to indicate that Zimmerman was smothered or had his head banged that evening, so we only need to postulate that he was lying about it. As for his bloody nose, Martin may have punched him or pushed against him, catching him on the nose, while trying to elude his grasp, or something else could have caused it. Either way, it doesn’t legally justify the shooting, which the jury would have figured out if they understood the law better.

    “If I was the judge, I’d have dismissed the case before the jury got it. ”

    Then it’s a good thing that you’re not a judge. It is not generally appropriate for a judge to believe everything that a killer says without question, especially when he has a history of trying to mislead the court.

    “That’s the law and this is perfect, perfect, again, perfect, justifiable homicide in self defense…”

    It is nowhere near perfect justifiable homicide in self defense.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Absolutely not! You go away!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    OK! So, I call you on your racism and as usual, you’re going to use, “no you are” as your simple come back.

    Is it because you’re a Caucasian slamming a half Hispanic? Is it because I’m not on the side of the actual perpetrator who coincidentally or not was an angry black thug whose last message to anybody was a racist remark?

    You’re certainly creepy but do you consider yourself a cracker? Isn’t that a racist slur? You personally injected the fact that t martin was black as a motivation for a belief that he died because he was black.

    If a white guy was slamming my head into the ground; if he’s smothering me while I scream for help to save my life, possible brain damage and I’ve already been pummeled about my head and shoulders and I kill a white guy, does that make me a racist? That was your contention. You injected race into the conversation, even if you weren’t the first to do so.

    You are one of the the race pimping racists that want this matter to be about race, no matter what the facts are. You want to believe that t martin was a victim and you want for the reason he’s dead to be part of a racist event, contrary to the circumstances.

    You are a racist. You want a different standard to be applied to those that are not of color. You do not want dispassionate application of the law. The law is dispassionate and applies to us all and you cheapen the valid complaints when racism is present. You are part of the problem that plagues so called minorities and you nullify real correction of racist events that go both ways. You assume. YOu apply a different standard for some based on race or even the hint that there may be biases.

    contrary to your belief, I do believe t martin confronted g zimmerman and did attack him. There is no, none, zero evidence that it went the other way and according to the law, even if zimmerman did confront martin, he has a personal stake in confronting a person that he does not recognize as a resident. Even though there is no evidence that this occurred, it does not allow martin to attack zimmerman and the idea that zimmerman attacked martin is thoroughly inconsistent with all of his actions and any other actions of either party up to that point.

    Conjecture, race pimping isn’t evidence. Second guessing the outcome of a court trial that never should have been, then failure to accept the process with your own misapplication of the law doesn’t make you smart and it certainly doesn’t mean you won some argument or debate. It means you are irrational and unable to accept fact and in your case, in particular, your racist beliefs keep you from dealing with the reality that the miscarriage of justice that brought a man to risk life and limb before a court, on trial for his life, that should never have been naturally ends in an acquittal.

    You are unable to think rationally and you are obsessed, wrongly. You’re just wrong and so were those that brought this case to trial. This case should have been dismissed at several junctures and should never have seen a jury. Only the racist beliefs of those that would not apply the law and procedures to this case and those actions were race based.

    The trial itself was a miscarriage of justice, no matter how you feel about g zimmeran. Since you brought up OJ, that was a miscarriage of justice but it was necessary to find him not guilty because Simpson’s rights were violated by the police and by judge Ito. None of the evidence from the Rockingham estate should have been admissible. A warrant should have been sought and there was no probable cause to search without one.

    That case came out right for the Constitution and wrong for the dead. Very few cases come out wrong. Jury nullification took place because Simpson’s rights were violated when the police and DA’s office had a slam dunk but stacked the cards to their own benefit against the 4th and 5th Amendments of Simpson. I’d have voted not guilty on that one, too. I was going to law school when that case was going on it was a big part of nearly every criminal law and Constitutional law class. I wrote a term paper on it and defended the verdict.

    Whatever g zimmerman did before he was attacked, while I believe he was incontrovertibly within his 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendment rights and any efforts to smear his reputation do not give martin the right to endanger the short or long term health of zimmerman and zimmerman had every right under the law to use deadly force.

    The message here should not be some belief in a boogie man called “profiling”. It should be that when you’re the guest on somebody else’s grounds, you might want to show some respect and acknowledge the rights of the people that pay to be there and pay to be safe on the grounds they call home.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! You’re still the racist! Too dumb to know it. You think you’re better than blacks, that they’re not good enough and to keep them from kicking your 4$$, you pretend you’re there to help. You’re not just a racist, you’re a coward, too!

    Guess what, we tolerate your kind!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You haven’t debated. You’ve cluttered the discussion board with irrelevant conjecture and speculation. You’ve made the life of a young man a matter of race and victim-hood and you’ve done so without anything of value to add.

    YOu’ve cheapened the issue with character assassination. You’ve made it all about your not very well thought out, not compatible with the law opinions and you’ve injected bad will. Even your unfounded, baseless personal attacks have been cheapened by your own cowardly complaints when I’ve defended myself. Your arguments are unsubstantiated, immature, unfounded and your not only shameful race baiting and personal attacks have no substance. You, like your picture and your moniker spell loser. You’ve won nothing and your belief that you’re debating and winning are a testament to your lack of a relationship with reality.

    Here are some words. Take them or leave them. You’ve been leaving them so I have no expectation that rational, reasonable, concepts of law, the rules of evidence, the legal system, Florida or whatever states’ statutes and the Constitution rule us. Justifiable Homicide In Self Defense; Use of Force Necessary to Prevent Imminent Death or Great Bodily Harm to Himself, Herself or Another; Reasonable Man’s Standard; 2nd Amendment; Equal Protection Under The Law; Grand Jury Indictment; Stand Your Ground; Conflicting Rights; Prevailing Rights; 782.04 Statute. Here’s one that was ignored: Evidence Insufficient to Bind Over for Trial and Right To Grand Jury Process!

    This was the most Unconstitutional, mismanaged, politicized, racial prejudiced case in recent memory and a black eye on the idea of a color blind, state of justice in America. This was a persecution! This case scares me.

    Here are some grounding terms of fact and law: Acquitted! Not Guilty! Unanimous Verdict! No Civil Rights Violations to Warrant Federal Prosecution!

    Jurors, more than one actually tried to, wanted to find Zimmerman guilty of something. They had a prejudiced jury but couldn’t convict on the instructions. That’s what happened. It’s undeniable that under pressure from the barack hussein obama Department of Just Us, the State of Florida trumped the District Attorney’s office and escalated to the State’s Attorney.

    This was a racially biased case that by definition suspended equal protection for Zimmerman while barack hussein obama and eric holder made inflammatory remarks to prejudice the country knowing virtually every American was watching. Shame on the race pimping, executive branch of the United States of America.

    It’s a testament to how bad the case was, against g zimmerman that with the full force of government, with the illegal prosecution that he prevailed. Sometimes, even with the horrific, unconstitutional application of the legal system, under prejudicial full force of government, the system works, though I would argue that this case had no business going to trial.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    It wasn’t even a debate but there’s no way you’d know that! You just shot yourself in the head. Not that you could miss that gargantuan head or its big ol’ 4$$ looking body!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    if you happen to find some intellect, unlikely as that may be, you’re absolutely right. Hold onto it. There hasn’t been much of it, so far so you might want to use it wisely. Get some advice. Here’s some: stop embarrassing yourself on blogs.

    You’re welcome.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You think you’re in a debate? That’s how smart you’re not.

    This started out as an attempt to educate you. You made insults a medium to compensate for your inability to learn. This is not a debate. As for childish, look within.

    You offer an awful lot of unsubstantiated, post trial testimony but don’t seem to know that the trial is over and you aren’t allowed to offer testimony based on what you want it to be. How it is that you don’t get that, I don’t understand. “Make $#!+ up as you go along” isn’t a very good plan if you want somebody to believe your already litigated and already lost position.

    Again, there is no debate. There’s only been me attempting to educate you and you irrationally holding on to a predetermined debate. I’m not even arguing with you. I’m stating the real facts, the real law and firing back when you come unarmed to a battle of wits with personal attacks. It’s absolutely ridiculous that you think it’s a debate when you defend position that is lost. If you’re looking for a loser, check the mirror.

    You keep talking about what might have happened when there’s absolutely no evidence to support that position yet you talk about some debate you think you’re carrying on, a fictitious debate in which you appoint yourself the fictitious winner! If you’re going to make up a competition, it does make sense to make yourself the winner but you might want to pinch yourself and wake up.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No problems! I can, see, however how the idea of suicide might be something that appeals to you. I’ve seen your picture and this thread is certainly evidence that you heve little of which to be proud or a reason to wake up another day.

    Personally, I believe in life and how sacred it is. Normally, I’d say things can’t be that bad but you’re from detroit, a place where suicide is implied in the name, much like your own photo and moniker. I’m at a loss.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Seriously? You’ve deescalated this from an attempt to educate you to the type of insolence that got t martin killed and you pretend the high road! Precious! You started with a lot of name calling in lieu of legitimate responses, you claimed a debate from “no you”, then deteriated it to mimicking and I admit that brought out the predatory part of me that when I’m hunting racists and they begin flailing in distress, I use some of their own terms and childish techniques back. You practically begged me to stop, repeatedly asking me to go away but trying to reserve some sort of false dignity in calling me names before you began mimicking me then taking my name.

    If this were an actual contest, be real. Who do you think would have won? I don’t expect an honest answer out of you, I just know that you actually took my name because you were, what’s the term you used, oh, “butthurt”!

    You know, if i looked like you, thought like you, ate like you must, suicide might be on the menu. Maybe it’s not too late for an abortion, for you. Still have all that baby-fat!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Queen, by the looks of you!

    Your right to say the most offensive, ignorant, vacuous statements are something I believe in. You don’t have to make it the bulk of your activity, though.

    Just today, try something new. Be honest with yourself. Your personal attacks are more a statement about you than me. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to defend but it’s ridiculous that you pretend that I’m advancing it and it’s the epitome of dishonesty that you complain about me doing it, as if you’re not precipitating it.

    This brings a whole new understanding of you and how you operate. It’s easy to see how you’re conceptually unable to see how t martin precipitated his own demise and how you assign responsibility to those less responsible for their own situation. This is a unique window into how your mind fails to work. You attack and when you get push back you snivel, whine, complain and assign blame everywhere but yourself.

    Wow! yesterday, I didn’t think I could get that slanted that I could understand you but right now, I think I get you. You’re a bad influence.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I honestly view Zimmerman as a sociopathic pathological liar because that’s what he is, dummy. Get a life. I was at work all day while you were here acting like a fool. Consider that for a moment.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away, retard. You don’t have anything intelligent to say.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I already won he debate. Right now, I’m mocking you because you’re a retard.

  • gbpuzzler

    “Again, there is no debate. There’s only been me attempting to educate you and you irrationally holding on to a predetermined debate. I’m not even arguing with you. I’m stating the real facts, the real law ”

    More like you repeating a bunch of slanderous lies about Trayvon Martin and false claims about the law that you read on pro-zimmy websites. Others have as much right to give their reasonable interpretations of what happened as you do to spew your blatant lies, hate, and insults.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Man, you’re butthurt over me beating you.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    No, you go away, corky.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re the one doing all the whining. All I’ve done is call you on your BS whil not giving a fuck about you.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I only react to what other people say and do. You’re just defensive because I’m taking your bullshit and throwing it in your face, bro. You are the one that started up on other people in this thread and when people aptly point out how wrong you are, you start shitposting and throwing a temper tantrum as illustrated by all of the comments you made to me today while I was out working and not even thinking about your worthless ass.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    There is more evidence that you’re dishonest in your views, so how you view g. zimmerman is irrelevant to me and a lot could be said of you. Just remember when I lay into you to stop your pathetic whining and crying about mistreatment as you attack. You sissified fagotry is embarrassing to me and I feel absolutely no compassion for you when you throw around your insolent, attacks then cry when I defend. Consider what for a moment?

    My life is full. Your life is fool!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Not going anywhere! As for whether I have anything intelligent to say, from the crap you so poorly write, I don’t know how you’d know if it was or if it wasn’t.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Go away, retard. You don’t have anything intelligent to say.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You didn’t call me on racism at all. You called me a racist with NOTHING to back it up, fool.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I already debated and won. Once you lost your shit and dropped the debate, then it was just me making fun of how stupid you are. Stay buttmad.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Like I already said, you’re too stupid to know there’s no debate. There’s me attempting, fruitlessly to educate you and there’s you calling me names because you’re such a racially prejudiced dolt, you can’t accept the information. There is, however a loser but that has not a thing to do with what you ignorantly believe is a debate. There is no doubt that you’re a loser, loser!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Get a damn life man. I’m sitting here with friends watching a movie while you’re sending me a dozen screeching comments because I owned your ass for days.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Stfu seriously. Throwing your stupid arguments at me aren’t going to magically take away the fact that I am right and you’re wrong.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You haven’t beat a thing but yourself. As for butt-hurt, that’s you; that’s that guy, *Mike that keeps dropping* out of your butt.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    lol, you’re a retard. I’ll not dignify your words with a response.

  • gbpuzzler

    “The only relationship between the two cases is your race prejudices and your defense of young, black men committing illegal acts precipitating their demise.”

    No, the relationship between the two cases is that both involved men who figured that they needed to show their control over a black teenager who had not been hurting anyone. In one case, the man was a police officer. In the other, he was a wannabe who figured that he should have the right to act as a police officer. Then both made up stories about how the black teenager was a violent thug who had mercilessly attacked them, in order to justify their actions.

    “Your position is a defense of illegal acts, as long as young black men are committing them and some perverse belief that people that are not black may not defend their lives.”

    My position is that black teenagers should have as much right as anyone else not to be violently accosted and killed when they haven’t done anything to provoke the attack.

  • gbpuzzler

    “That’s like the release of a year old picture of t martin before he got the gangster gold dental work, before he posted pics on his facebook page with drugs and guns.”

    When did he ever get gangster gold dental work? He didn’t. He didn’t have any such dental work in his mouth at the time of his death. This is another phony picture, circulated by Zimmy acolytes, of someone who they claimed to be Trayvon Martin but who was in reality another black guy. And any pictures of guns and cannabis plants on his Facebook page are meaningless since the page was hacked after his death.

    “This guy had been out of control and sent, by his mother, to stay with his uncle because she couldn’t supervise him. What put him in the position of visiting his father, who wasn’t a registered resident of the complex was that t martin was expelled from his school and his uncle didn’t want him left in his home when he was at work since he wasn’t going to school.”

    He hadn’t been sent to stay with his uncle. The uncle lived in the same household with Trayvon, Trayvon’s mother, and Trayvon’s brother. Trayvon was suspended from school, not permanently expelled. And the reason that he had been sent to visit his father for the duration is that being prohibited from going to school and picking up his schoolwork put him, as it would anyone, in the position of having more difficulty getting his schoolwork done and keeping up with his classes.

  • gbpuzzler

    ” t martin was surfing the sofa at his father’s girlfriend’s apartment because he was out of control and nobody wanted him because he was a thug, plain and simple.”

    Trayvon Martin was a teenager who was in trouble for smoking weed and committing a minor act of vandalism, but who had NO history of violent behavior. He was much loved by his family.

    zimmy was a bad-tempered bully whose family came to his rescue when he got into trouble but stayed away from his most of the time. He had been arrested for assault and has gotten into trouble with the law over incidents involving his ex-wife, several girlfriends, and a “road rage” incident.

    ” The fact is that g zimmerman investigated the presence of a stranger, not a registered resident, on the grounds where he, g zimmerman was a registered resident and a neighborhood watch leader.”

    The fact is that the neighborhood watch chapter did not exist because zimmy never completed the steps necessary to get it officially established. Instead, he used the neighborhood watch leader title as an excuse to play patrolman and do exactly what neighborhood watch warns people NOT to do.

    “As I’ve said all along, while nothing matters before t martin is straddling g zimmerman pummeling him about he head and shoulders, smothering him, cursing him, telling him to “shut up” to stifle his screams to save his life and for the beating to stop, while his head is banging on the ground, your duplicitous statements must not go unchecked.”

    It is your duplicitous statements that must not go unchecked. There is NO evidence that Martin ever did any of those things, only zimmy’s claims that this is what happened. The very minor nature of zimmy’s injuries shows that his head was never being banged and he was never being pummeled.

  • gbpuzzler

    “What does matter is that g zimmerman, whether you want to use stupid, inapplicable characterizations about “profiling” and suggesting that his investigation and report were somehow improper. They were not! They were within all of zimmerman’s rights as a resident and a neighborhood watchman in a gated community that was progressively coming to be under siege by non-residents.”

    The community was not “progressively coming to be under siege by non-residents”. There had been a couple of breakins, and the perps had already been arrested.

    Being a neighborhood watchman did not give zimmy any extra rights! He had the same rights as before, to observe what was happening in his neighborhood and to call the police if he saw anything suspicious going on. He also had the right to talk to people with their consent. He had NO right to detain someone against their will, regardless of whether he recognized them or whether the person was or wasn’t a resident.

  • gbpuzzler

    “Race should not have anything to do with it, however, this is a gated complex in the middle of a primarily black neighborhood…”

    The gated complex was ethnically mixed. At least 20% of the residents who lived there were black.

    …and while the race pimps want to make it a race issue, it is a fact that it is not common for people of Caucasian, Asian, Hispanic origin to come to a black neighborhood, then victimize a gated community. ”

    The vast majority of black people also will not come to a Caucasian, Asian, or Hispanic gated community and victimize the people there.

    “This was never a race based incident until t martin made made race his motivation to attack zimmerman.”

    No, it became a race based incident when zimmy, after having called the police multiple times about black people seen in his neighborhood who weren’t doing anything wrong, decided that this time he would pursue the guy himself instead of waiting for the police to show up.

    “Not wanting g zimmerman to be telling the truth is not enough reason to suggest that zimmerman’s testimony is untruthful, that t martin, not a registered resident doubled back and confronted g zimmerman, a registered resident, angrily and attacked him. Do the math. Everything fits.”

    No, everything doesn’t fit. Trayvon’s body wasn’t where it would have been if zimmy’s story was entirely true. zimmy claimed to be looking for an address when he hadn’t yet been asked for one. zimmy had more than enough time to get back to his truck, and he never did. The brutal attack that he claimed to have happened would have left far worse wounds than he received. That is what gives me (and others) good reason to suggest that zimmy’s statements (he didn’t testify) were untruthful.

  • gbpuzzler

    “Stating that he was irritated that he was being investigated by a resident and assigning a hate based racial comment before attacking zimmerman is the definition of a hate crime, period. Yes! That is how the law works. ”

    Even if that was what had happened, making a racial slur about someone who irritates you before hitting him is not enough to make it a hate crime.

    “it would be easy to conclude that t martin’s angry racist attitude and acting on it precipitated his demise since that’s exactly what makes a jury that wanted to convict zimmerman of something, unanimously vote not guilty.”

    It would be easy for a racist who ignores the facts, like you, to conclude this. As reported, Trayvon Martin did not show an angry racist attitude. He showed a worried, perhaps fearful attitude about the creepy guy following him. And he acted on it by first running away and hiding and then by asking him “What are you following me for?” It was zimmy’s itchy trigger finger that precipitated his demise.

    The jury wanted to convict zimmy of something after hearing all the evidence presented. And it was the poor explanations of the law given to them that prevented them from doing so.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re a retard. That is all.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I won, you lost. Your pathetic clawing in an attempt to get back was entertaining before but now I don’t have the time for your retardation tonight.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! I’m committed! You want talk $#!+ in leiu of an intelligent conversation, I’m simply documenting that you’re the perpetrator and that my simple defense is your offense, not assigned. You are the perpetrator so you live with it and stop your sissificatoin when you do so. YOu have the nerve to ask why I’m personally attacking you? You’re further from reality than I thought. It leaks into everything you approach, while you complain and point fingers, calling foul.

    Your protestations are falling on deaf ears! I’m in it and I’m not going anywhere. You haven’t engaged in anything but a campaign of smut talk and a crusade of ignorance, subterfuge and obfuscation.

    Cry, whine, insult but don’t claim victory when all you do is confuse the issues with nothing.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You seem confused. You sure like those unoriginal, easy to spell, low level 4 letter words. Should I use smaller words, maybe give some definitions?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Stfu retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You haven’t had an intelligent thing to say this entire time. Just shut up and go away.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You say that I point fingers but that is all you’ve done this entire time. I already beat you on the facts MONTHS ago, but you’re too butthurt to just let it go and move on, you waste of life.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You haven’t been right about a thing of any relevance. I could see how you think you’re in a “debate” if debate includes a definition where I make a relevant point and you answer with unsubstantiated, not very well thought out accusations and smut-wielding.

    Sure! Redefine the language and call it a win! Good for you!

    Temper tantrum? You need to get mom to read and explain the thread to you. You’re not just ignorant of law and unable to reason through your racist world view, you have no relationship with reality in everything you see. You’re f’ed up! I wonder what you see when you look in the mirror! You actually think you’re in a debate. You’re not just obsessed with the now 3 year old, already settled issue of the settled matter of the justice served on t martin, you’ve linked it with Michael Brown and made that an equal protection issue. That’s how f’ed up you are. You’re out of reality. You need help. I feel like I’m feeding your sickness by continuing to engage you.

    Get help!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Oh, I see! Semantics! Wow! You’re brilliant! A f’ing racist nut job like you is calling me a fool!

    Priceless!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    More like you’re too stupid to comprehend how badly you lost. Look, I’m telling you to go away because you’re a waste of words, not because we disagree. You haven’t raised a single relivent point, corky.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You keep calling me racist, but you’re completely incapable of showing me a single racist thing that I said or did. Kill yourself.

    Oh, and you don’t even know what ‘semantics’ means, apparently. Wow you’re so incredibly stupid.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You haven’t done anything but thrown around a bunch of dirty words and insane accusations based on nothing but your own psychosis, your own left wing-nut, already debunked unsubstantiated delusions. You haven’t debated and it’s not up to you when or whether I’m going anywhere, if you’re not smart enough to know the difference, by now.

    You’re a poor student. i attempt to educate you. You argue against facts! Facts are stubborn things but you argue anyway. That doesn’t mean you’re in a debate, there’s no link with “intellect” and it sure doesn’t mean you’ve won anything anywhere but in your own lonely head. You just show how lost you are, how irrational you are, how badly you process information. I show you fact. I show you law. You tell me I’m wrong. I show you more law, more proof and you call me names. If that’s a debate, in your backward world, you need to see someone about that.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Yeah, you’re a master debater, a legend in your own mind! I’ll tell you when you’re debating but if you’d been debating, you’d still be a loser! you can go, now, loser! You’ll still be my bitch, though! Everybody needs a fat fag around to have something to laugh at.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Shut up you stupid windbag. Your prattle is a sea of words without a drop of wisdom in its content.

    You haven’t debunked anything. All you’ve done is make assertions to deny anything that upset your worldview without attaching anything resembling a counterpoint.

    You haven’t shown me law or anything like that. You haven’t shown me a single fact. You haven’t shown anything other than the depth of your stupidity.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Your assertions do not make fact, dumbass.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You wish you owned my ass. You don’t have a clue. If you have any intelligent friends, which I doubt, I suggest you ask for some input. I don’t think you’re doing as well in whatever type of “debate” you think you’re in.

    As for 4$$ owning, I’m sure you’re up to your hunch backed shoulders in 4$$! Take your head out, now!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Call me Daddy! I’ll call you bitchy. Of course, you are. If you call gay porn friends, you go girl!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    See! That’s what I’m talking about. After everything I’ve said, you still don’t know you’re wrong!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You are too stupid for words. Seriously. Fuck off

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I did own you, that’s why you’re here continually trying to get the upper hand. In your soul you know that I am right and always was. That’s why you can’t just go away.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    While you haven’t had a rational thought you’re still giving mindless, bull$#!+ responses. I think you need a dictionary because nothing you say has any rational. You’re just f’ed up, upside down and backward.

    You haven’t been right about anything. You’re too f’ed up to accept fact. I really think I need to start using smaller words and definitions because you’re not getting it. You’re still arguing reality, legal definitions, verdicts…now you think you’re in a debate and winning.

    Losers lose, period!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Shut up and go away, retard.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Wow! An original, not and intelligent, not, non-response! You keep threatening to win a debate, actually you claim you won one htat never happened and you think you’re right about something and you call me names! Brilliant!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I already won the debate. Right now your retarded ass won’t let it go.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s a great “argument” for when you’re losing a “debate” that exists in your own mind, because you don’t know when you left the subject so many times you don’t even remember what the original discussion was.

    That’s how you know you lost the “debate” you thought you were in. Get help. You’e delusional.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You sure told me!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Again, how would you Know? Not going anywhere!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re the one that sent me 20 comments today in an attempt to get me back while I am sitting here not giving a fuck about you.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re worthless.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Of course not, you’re totally gay for me. I’m not interested tho.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I wonder whether you see the pattern, here. You don’t talk about the facts. you don’t even remember the article because you’re so busy trying to insult, control and claim victory. A victory for you would be psychiatry. You lost your place. You’re imagining debates that never happened and all you have to offer is, nothing of any value!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re projecting

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re stupid. This article is about witness 9, who is zimermans cousin that says he molested her for several years.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Factually, I’m too busy fending off your stupidity. What’s been lost is you think you’re not a loser anymore. You forgot that you lost the argument when the facts and the law took the place of your insanity and your inability to accept the facts and the law, the administration of justice and how that all shakes out in the real world, the world where everything isn’t the bad white man and the boogie man cops.

    We live in a better world than you’ve created for yourself where democrats tell us we’re not good enough to compete with the white men and that we need to vote for democrats to have a chance, that we need the government’s help to live.

    Then, there are the little ignorant, delusional, white, uncle fester looking, bald headed fatties that think they’re helping when they cheapen the fact that there are problems but they aren’t white boogeymen but they’re the backward, dis-informed, mis-educated racist, Caucasians that don’t know they’re racists and think they’re trying to help through their own racism against both races.

    You want to help blacks? Read “Stop Helping Us” by Tim Riley and “Race Pimping”, by Kevin Jackson. If you’re interested in ending your racist world view, I suggest you read their books but more importantly, you need to see someone about your racism.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! I’ve told you where to find it. If you can’t find it in your own writing, that’s how racist you are!

    If you were smarter, you’d know how smart you show you are by reading your writing. If you were smarter, you’d know you’re exactly what you look like! Too bad you’re not!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    More like you’re getting defensive over me being right and not letting you save face while I’m being right. I didn’t lose any argument with you. That’s why you spun into a tirade about me being a racist and crap when I didn’t say or do anything racist.

    You’re the ONLY person here talking about race, dumbass.

    You just went on a completely racist tirade and turned around and called *me* racist. Of course. You’re not intelligent enough to see the irony in it.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’re apparently not smart enough to know you haven’t won a thing, not smart enough to know that everything you’ve argued is a foregone conclusion that debunks every doltish belief you claim and certainly no where near the “intellect” you claim, which eludes you.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Really? Seriously? That’s your answer? Is that your final answer? You needed to shut yourself up, fatty! If you’d done that, instead of imagining some debate turned childish cut and paste campaign you wouldn’t have exposed your immature, unfounded charges. Now you’ve made me your Dad! Be a good little bitch and run along, now!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    See how smart you are? You sure showed me!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    In your dreams!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Look who owns whom, fatty! It appears the martin case isn’t the only thing on which you’re deluded. You should get help. Your type of racist, narcissistic thinking is dangerous. You shouldn’t be allowed to interact with people. People like you embolden bad actors like t martin. This could get other young black men killed or embolden them to attack on the basis of race with a sense of entitlement that they can be a visitor, a guest but act like king of the streets and present a clear and present danger to other residents in other homes and complexes.

    You’re a danger to yourself and others. You need help and you should seek it!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Actually, wrong! My assertions are fact. You just reject fact if it doesn’t agree with your ignorant prejudices.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You said that before. Hasn’t made it so.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You haven’t debated and haven’t won a thing!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’re not smart enough to care. you’re not smart enough to actually debate. You’re barely smart enough to be insolent and foul mouthed, barely.

    I’m not certain whether that’s a compliment.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    It’s already obvious that truth, law and fact have no worth for you. That’s what I represent, so I can see how you find no merit in those values.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    In your fantasies!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I’m glad you learned that term! See, I’m rubbing off on you. You make a good parrot.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Get mom to read that to you , did you?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! You can take what I say at face value. Look for something nefarious, some hidden conspiracy the way you did with g zimmerman. Nothing to see here. I called you a racist because you’re a racist. No hidden meaning.

    Love how you copy what I say about you and then call mine projecting. You’re coming to be like a parrot. Copy me again!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Well I’m not a racist, but you keep insisting that I am while your words are plain as day racist on their face. I don’t have to look past the surface of what you said to see that your words are racist.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    When I take what you say at face value, I see the words of a virulent racist that is too stupid to understand that he is saying some clearly racist things. Like Archie bunker. Only in real life and far stupider.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    See how biased you are! You’re intimate with the perpetrator. You call him by his first name. You call the actual victim by his last name. You’re incapable of being objective because you’re prejudiced.

    The reason I know that t martin doubled back, confronted and attacked g zimmerman is that I’ve looked at the facts, the physical evidence, the testimony. It’s an easy story to follow. Zimmerman noted a non-resident on the grounds and investigated while calling the police. t martin doubled back and acted on the racist comments he’d just made to the state’s star witness.

    Everything in g zimmerman’s statement was corroborated by testimony and physical evidence. Testimony gleaned from the phone conversations and eye witnesses confirm the account given by g zimmerman, no matter how much you wish to vilify him. In case you haven’t been paying attention, it all makes sense and a not guilty verdict followed. End of story! Now get over it! You’re wrong. I’m embarrassed for you that you make an unsubstantiated comment, “Zimmerman is a murderer”. That has been adjudicated not to be a fact. so, your next comment: *drops mike* is not only a melodramatic overreach, it’s just plain a lie and it’s stupid.

    I think Mike is back in your ass!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    it’s a shame that you think you’re not, if you actually think you’re not.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Wrong! You’re actually telling me I don’t understand the law? Do you have a law degree? Are you published? Do you actually seriously believe that you know any law better than I? You think you can tell me to deal with your statement about which you have not a single clue? You’re statement is wrong by fact and by law! Deal with that, fester!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Here’s why you are out of your depth:

    First, I’ve been offered Judge Pro-Tem status several times. Second, There’s no such thing as a motion to acquit, at least not several during a trial. You’re confusing that with, I don’t know, stupid? Maybe, no clue whatsoever about the law?

    Zimmerman had the right, a right he should have exercised not to make a deal if he planned to repel charges related to a homicide. if I was his lawyer, I’d have advised the same. I’m fairly surprised at how few motions to dismiss there were. I’d have filed a motion to dismiss every day, after every single witness testimony. A motion to acquit is the same thing as a motion for a directed verdict, both may be made at the end of the government’s case or the end of the trial. That’s how smart you’re not. That’s how little you actually know about the law.

    You’re out of your depth and you have no clue what you’re discussing. Get over it!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Lol judge pro term status. Right.

    No such thing as a motion to acquit!? Lmao! Wow, you’re really clueless.

    You don’t know what an immunity hearing is, do you? In an immunity hearing, Zimmerman presents his self defense claim to the judge. The catch is that in that case, Zimmerman would have the burden to prove his case by a preponderance of the evidence. If he fails, then criminal proceedings move forward but his testimony on the stand can be used against him. The advantages are that if he convinces the judge, he’d be granted immunity without going to trial at all and would be immune from civil suit as well.

    I don’t know what you’re talking about with Zimmerman having to make a deal. I didn’t say anything like that. I said he had a chance to have an immunity hearing but he waived it, counselor. If his self defense claim was so strong, then why would he waive his immunity hearing and risk the jury putting him away for 30 years? That’s stupid unless he knew that he wouldn’t survive on the stand, which is the reality of the matter, dum dum.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    definitions (dot) uslegal (dot) c o m/ m/ motion-for-judgment-of-acquittal/

    A motion for judgment of acquittal is a criminal defendant’s request to be acquitted. Such a request is made at the close of the government’s case or the close of all evidence. A motion for judgment of acquittal is made when there is no legally sufficient evidentiary basis on which a reasonable jury could return a guilty verdict. In case the motion for judgment of acquittal is granted, the government has no right of appeal.

  • gbpuzzler

    You were offered Judge Pro-Tem status? Let me know where and I’ll be sure to avoid the place.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You don’t understand the law. Prove me wrong.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I don’t believe that people of different races universally share traits that make individuals from those groups intrinsically superior or inferior to people of other groups. That’s kinda a requirement belief in order for someone to be a racist, dumbass.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Trayvon is the victim. Zimmerman is the perpetrator. You’re projecting. I’m perfectly objective in the fact that Zimmerman earned my distrust.

    You don’t know that Trayvon did any of that, retard. You’re speculating. Zimmerman was acquitted due to a lack of evidence, not an abundance of it, nobody saw how the altercation started at all.

    Also, Zimmerman is a murderer. You say there and called OJ a murderer even though he was acquitted and it was adjudicated that he wasn’t a murderer. Goose meet gander.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    No dumbass. I have every article on this shit memorized.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Look, I was the one that pointed out that you were projecting months ago. You took the term from me and tried to parrot it back at me.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Well, you’re acting gay for me. That’s why you’re staying glued to my dick.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Damn you’re butthurt. How many comments did you make to me while I am off enjoying my life?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Says the guy that can’t articulate an actual argument or counterpoint. You’re an idiot that thinks using a three syllable word from a thesaurus is a suitable substitute for making a real argument or counterpoint.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Not in the middle of a trial, not several, no! Not in every state, either. That’s a motion for a directed verdict where I am. It occurs when the state has failed, as in this case to make its case.

    In this kind of unconstitutional case, the politics would preclude a judge from doing the right thing and rendering a directed verdict. In this case, the defendant who should never have been made to answer, elected a trial by jury, though it is his right not to answer a jury.

    In many cases, a judge is the way to go but not with a political hot potato when there are so many dumb 4$$es that believe they are able throw around non-factual, non-legal, amateur hour charges and their own incompetent verdicts like the victim is guilt of murder, you can’t even trust your case to a judge, especially one that’s too cowardly to do the right thing, that won’t dismiss or direct a not guilty verdict .

    That’s why we have a legal system, one of which you’re not part. It’s a matter of competence, intellect and education, all of which you claim to have, and as your own ability to render a verdict, just as much like your own competence, actually lack thereof.

    You continue to operate from the peanut gallery, unable to accept that the system worked and justice remains intact, however, I believe the federal government, its party and its propaganda ministry owe the zimmermans for the loss of quality of life they’ve inflicted on them with the unconstitutional prosecution, actually persecution, the unprecedented act of going outside the system and applying, inflicting unequal, unfair tyranny, overreach and force of government, withholding equal protection.

    It is obvious how different, how deleterious the effects of this tyrannical abuse of power has been for g zimmerman and the zimmerman family. He’s been pretty nutty ever since.

    I would never advise zimmerman to take a deal, even with the trepidation of the state imposing a trial that never should have taken place. Zimmerman got his immunity hearing if that’s what you want to call it. In Florida, it’s a “Stand Your Ground” , more a hybrid hearing that not only affects the application of criminal charges but civil charges after the verdict.

    The Stand Your Ground statute keeps zimmerman from getting back doored the way the Goldman’s went after Simpson.

    How do you get that I’m the dum dum for not supporting a trial by judge and the upset of the 5th Amendment protections? Seems you’re still trying to litigate a settled case! Who’s the dum dum?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You do a perfect job of proving you don’t understand the law. The law backs me up, period!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You say one thing but you do another. You’ve only brought out cases that conflate (mix, blend, confuse) not murders between between blacks and not blacks. You take on the racist belief that whites are superior and mistreat blacks, murder them, by your accounts, with unsubstantiated, irrelevant, factually insane (psychotic, hysterical, mad, crazy) reasons like “unequal protection” as some reason you must have overhead somewhere because there is not a single hint of substantiated ( supported, upheld, borne out, justifed, vindicated, validated, corroborated, verified, authenticated, confirmed,endorsed, with reason) evidence to support your incredible (that means you are not credible) claims.

    Still, as much as you deny it, I call you a racist because you’re a racist.

    Who’s the dumb 4$$?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You couldn’t be objective if you tried. You even conflate an intimate relationship with martin and an emotional distance from the actual victim in order to demonize him. You’re emotionally involved in this case and you’re unable to see past your own personal investment in supporting the wrong party, the wrong possition that you are unable rationally think or discuss the issue. You’re upside down and backwards.

    That’s why you are unable to accept the proven, legal, moral resolution to this already adjudicated case and you say I don’t understand the law! Funny!

    As for OJ Simpson, he’s been adjudicated to not be guilty of murder because the jury nullified evidence because Simpson did not receive equal protection. Simpson would have been illegally convicted. The system failed everybody in that case. I don’t have to explain my beliefs when the evidence, the legally obtained evidence proved his guilt and another court found him responsible for the deaths of Goldman and his ex.

    You’re using a bunch of bull$#!+, conjecture and lies to make believe a decided case that factually also failed to offer equal protection to the defendant that should never have been a defendant but was due to the unequal application of protection or the removal thereof. You conflate on a regular basis, that which has no relationship, whatsoever, that is, except that in which you are able to apply your racial prejudices against those that are not black when you conflate the justifiable homicide, in self defense from the attack on a police officer by Michael Brown, an angry, violent young criminal or the justifiable homicide in self defense by a neighborhood watchman, on his own grounds, of an angry, young, violent, black man, enraged by some belief that the not black and not all white, watchman was somehow affronting him by investigating the moments of a non-resident he did not recognize, on the grounds where the angry, violent, racist wasn’t even a resident.

    As for the attack on g zimmerman, by the race engaged young black man, against someone he believed was a white man that he also believed didn’t have the right to investigate the movements of someone he did not recognize as a resident, martin had the responsibility to get himself to the “house” to which he was already “near”, not to go back the other way and attack zimmerman.

    This is how an angry, young, violent racist gets himself killed and this is how you twist something to make it what it’s not. You believe, against the facts, opposite the facts that that God given, natural rights to self defense and machination, when used to defend from the rage of a young, black man is never justified and you are wrong. You want to find something wrong with that, manufacture, if you must some justification for young black rage because you believe these angry, racist or not, young, violent, black men, are justified and that those that are not black, even if they are only part white must be at fault but you deny the mental illness that makes you racist. You are so involved in your racist beliefs that you’ll never even admit your illness and you’ll argue against evidence, fact, reason, the law that you can make wrong right because of your prejudices.

    You need help.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s funny! You look a lot more like Archie Bunker than I do. You’re the right color! He’s nowhere near as overweight as you but you share that. You’re both bald! He’s nowhere near as goofy looking as you but the real difference is Carol O’Connor plays a racist and you are one and you don’t admit it.

    Here’s the difference, fat girl: I’m none of that!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s how sick you are! You’re obsessed. You can’t even trust yourself. You read what’s there, commiserate with the rest of the racists and race pimps and make $#!+ up together!

    Good for you, Nut-job!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’d better not get caught with that dick! They’re going to make you give it back. Or, is it Mike’s? You might be a candidate for surgery the way that thing keeps dropping out of your 4$$. If you even think anybody wants to play with your stolen “dick”, you haven’t seen yourself. If you were actually a man, you’re a fag for even thinking that.

    Oh and don’t get caught for impersonating a man!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I only answer you, so figure the number you write minus 1

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Even if that weren’t something you just made up, how would you know?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! In your dreams! Actually your fantasies.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You mean summary judgement.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    No, it isn’t a summary judgement, retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Hey, look back in the comments. I told you that you were projecting months ago.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Not making anything up. Just calling you out on your behavior here.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Nah man, you don’t only answer me. You give four and five responses to every one of my comments and comment again and again on stuff I said months and YEARS ago.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You keep trying so hard and failing. Your butthurt is pretty clear for all to see

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I’m not obsessed, retard. I just don’t forget anything.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You don’t know what I look like. You keep calling me a racist, but you can’t actually name a single racist thing that I said or did, while I can name several racist things you actually said. There’s the difference.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Man, you’re so incredibly butthurt in your whining.

    Zimmerman demonized himself with his own behavior. That’s the end of it.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Um, it is an indisputable fact that people of different races have different levels of protection of the law. Pointing out other people’s bias or racism doesn’t make me a racist.

    Also, I only brought up cases that are well known and indisputable. OJ was acquitted of murder, yet he is still called a murderer. Emit tills killers were acquitted of murder, but they later admitted that they murdered Till. Those are brought up to illustrate the fact that an acquittal doesn’t mean that the accused didn’t murder someone, nor does it mean the people have to stop calling the accused a murderer.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    The law doesn’t back you up, idiot. You haven’t demonstrated that i am wrong. You’ve only made empty assertions.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    If Martin’s right to be there is not the issue, then don’t bring that issue up, retard. You’re the one that tried to imply that Martin didn’t have a right to be there.

    There’s NO evidence of Martin trying to kill anyone, dumbass. Zimmerman actually left his vehicle and killed Martin, but that doesn’t seem to bother you one bit. I find it interesting that you jump through so many hoops to give Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt, but don’t extend any to the teen that he chased and murdered.

    I know what constitutes a hate crime while you have demonstrated that you don’t understand the concept one bit. Hate crime is based on apparent intent not on what someone says.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    In the middle of the trial, the defense made a motion for a judgment of acquittal TWICE and it was rejected TWICE by the judge.

    The trial was not unconstitutional in the slightest. You’re talking about the legal system, but it is obvious that you don’t know how the law works. Typical, since you’re a libertarian.

    You’re a retard. The stand your ground law does not keep Zimmerman from being sued civilly right now. Zimmerman has to have an IMMUNITY HEARING in order to absolutely block a civil suit. Zimmerman waived his immunity hearing. Acquiring an acquittal does not grant Zimmerman immunity at all because Zimmerman has a burden of proof to meet in order to obtain immunity and he had no burden during the criminal trial.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    “Zimmerman got his immunity hearing if that’s what you want to call it.”

    Lol no he didn’t. He WAIVED his immunity hearing. You clearly don’t know how these things work. Look up John Orr. He had an immunity hearing in a similar case in Florida. It was denied. Simply getting an acquittal isn’t the same as having an immunity hearing, dumbass.

  • gbpuzzler

    “In many cases, a judge is the way to go but not with a political hot potato when there are so many dumb 4$$es that believe they are able throw around non-factual, non-legal, amateur hour charges and their own incompetent verdicts ”

    Like the zimmy acolytes that keep spreading made-up lies about Trayvon Martin being a Lean-chugging thug.

    “I believe the federal government, its party and its propaganda ministry owe the zimmermans for the loss of quality of life they’ve inflicted on them with the unconstitutional prosecution,…”

    No, that would be their own son Georgie and their own paranoia that caused their loss of quality of life.

    “…actually persecution, the unprecedented act of going outside the system and applying, inflicting unequal, unfair tyranny, overreach and force of government, withholding equal protection.”

    It was none of these things, and far from unprecendented. If you actually followed the news in these things you would know that the Florida State Attorney’s office has filed charges in other high-profile cases.

    “It is obvious how different, how deleterious the effects of this tyrannical abuse of power has been for g zimmerman and the zimmerman family. He’s been pretty nutty ever since.”

    He was pretty nutty before, Sherlock. That’s we he thought he had the right to detain a “suspect” for the police simply because the boy was “walking while black”.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I see that you don’t know how quotations work. Just because I QUOTE a term that YOU used doesn’t mean that I’m a racist or approve of anything, dumbass.

    I didn’t see Zimmerman picking nice or neutral ways to describe Trayvon. Remember, Zimmerman called Trayvon an ‘asshole that always gets away’ and a ‘fucking punk’. You seem to think that Trayvon is the only person that has to speak nicely in the situation.

    Also, screeching ‘that’s a lie’ doesn’t make my statement a lie. It’s more your hurt feelings and unwillingness to accept the truth.

    Long story short. Get a life. I shouldn’t return home from a party and find 20 comments from you that are full of your stupid statements where you write paragraphs of NOTHING because you’re anally destroyed.

  • gbpuzzler

    “No martin was a resident, period.”

    But Brandy Green was a resident. And she had a right to expect that her guests would not be followed around and shot in the common areas near her home.

    “No it doesn’t. Theres actually no evidence that Trayvon actually started the altercation. It is literally just Zimmerman’s word against a dead teen that he killed.”

    “Actually, what you don’t want to believe is that the circumstantial evidence matches the testimony (we call that corroborated evidence) so your ignorant claim that there is no evidence is incorrect and biased since it is unfounded and offered by you”

    Actually, other than Zimmerman’s claims (to the police and to friends), there was NO evidence or testimony presented at trial that Martin started the altercation, and Rachel Jeantel’s testimony that Martin said “Get off, get off” right before the phone cut off suggests otherwise. NOBODY who testified at the trial saw the beginning of the physical altercation.

    “What matters is that martin tells someone on the phone that he’s almost at the house, “near the house”, then he’s not.”

    Compared to the 7-11, or even the clubhouse, he was near the house. It is also likely that he was partway down the path, not at the T, when he said that. And, it is also possible that he was confused and thought that he was closer to the house than he actually was.

    “Zimmerman’s testimony and witnesses put him not “near the house”, a house, actually an apartment or condo where neither of the martins were paying rent but had been visiting for less than a week.”

    Zimmerman didn’t testify at the trial, and no witnesses saw the beginning of the altercation.

    “So, martin just materialized, by your explanation over zimmerman while you say there’s no proof. What?”

    No, you’re confused. Martin was partway down the path and zimmy, looking for him, turned up near him. You’re welcome.

    “Concomitantly, you say there’s no evidence that martin attacked or started the attempted murder. No! That’s actually been proven.”

    No, it hasn’t been. No evidence for that was presented.

    “He also agreed to meet the police at the curb and testifies he was headed there when martin reappears.”

    He didn’t testify at all. He also was vague, in the phone call, about where he would meet the police. He didn’t want to specify a location, and finally asked to have the police call him back when they arrived at the complex.

    ” From both phone conversations, it is far less likely that zimmerman initiated the confrontation. He said he didn’t and I believe him. Nobody said he didn’t!”

    Far less likely based on what? As far as I can see, from Martin’s conversation with Jeantel, it is unlikely that he had any intention of starting a physical confrontation (he was the first to speak up), and it’s not possible to be certain about zimmy’s plans based on the phone conversation with the police dispatcher alone. Nobody said who started the physical confrontation because nobody saw it.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’re a waste of time, as well as DNA, fester!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Look back further!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No!

    Oh, we’re back to arguing off the point, we’re going to argue about who said what first! Really constructive! You’re going to name call when you factually have obvious, verifiable mental disorders. You continually carry a racist theme; comparing nothing but deaths between blacks and whites that have nothing else to do except race but deny being a racist; you refuse to prove that the law, the dispassionate law has prevailed, even with an unfair unequal race based prosecution and want your racist beliefs to be proof that race was a factor in the self defense verdict when it was faqctually the basis for an attack on a resident in his own domain.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    How would you know?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Then go away, crybaby.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You need to look back further, you waste of life.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Stop double responding to my comments, retard. You’re the one that WANTS to see racism where none exists.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I’m looking at you behavior here and calling you out on what you’re doing. That’s how I know.

  • gbpuzzler

    There was some swelling in the photo that was taken on someone’s cell phone when he was sitting in the police car. But photos and videos taken even a few hours later show NO clear swelling, nor any real indication that his nose was particularly painful or tender. So, I would say that the photos show a minor injury, but probably should not lead us to believe that his nose was broken.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Personal conjecture from the peanut gallery didn’t count for anything except getting this to trial is meaningless in the real world, in the courtroom, amateur!

    You just made a statement exactly diametrically opposed to facts and evidence! So, post trial, you want expert testimony, in your case, amateur testimony but of course, we can’t continue to entertain your ex post facto, irrelevant testimony! Excuses! Inconsistent with facts! More irrelevant excuses!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Wrong!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Quit sniveling!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Yeah, that’s it!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    So, is that somebody else’s picture? Is that what you’re saying? You’d pick the picture of younger uncle fester as your avatar? As irrational as you are, that still seems unlikely and you like to talk up your “intellect”, absent any demonstration of such while making hostile remarks of people more intelligent and accomplished than yourself, leading me to believe you see something different in the mirror than others see.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    While that’s not what everybody sees, if it isn’t true, you’ve repeated it enough to convince yourself that you believe it.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Herein lies your prejudice! Here is where you go off the rails and go backwards.

    Seriously? OJ Simpson? That’s your example of racisim? The LAPD didn’t use the physical evidence they had. They went a step further and violated Simpson’s 4th and 5th Amendment rights. Even the judge did so. Simpson was acquitted, rightly because the jury didn’t trust the LAPD or judge Ito. It doesn’t mean he didn’t do it. Emmet Till, seriously? You have to go back over 20 years for the Simpson case and over 60 years for the Emmet Till case, when the democrat party cult’s enforcement arm, the KKK killed Till?

    See it is your personal, racist belief that people of different races have different levels of protection under the law that precludes reason, fact and law with you. You should be paying attention because here is the irrational basis for your racism.

    You believe that there is a power greater than law and greater than individual persons and based on race instead of behavior. You believe that criminals are the victims. No wonder you side with the so called victims who are actually perpetrators! It’s in your world view. Instead of blaming criminals, you’re blaming what crime brings. It’s that simple.

    Factually, racist devices like quotas, like the belief that more crime in different segments of the population are someone’s, anyone’s fault, other than the criminal is where you break with reality.

    You are part of the problem, part of the often perceived and pimped, backward belief that the criminal perpetrator is the victim, as if it was the law or law enforcement that was responsible for those segments of the population committing a disproportionate percentage of crime.

    Till has not a thing to do with Brown, Simpson or Martin except as a way to justify a divisive narrative by a racist, illegitimate agenda of hate by race pimps. Nobody’s actually stupid enough to honestly make those sorts of jumps without some very dishonest, very hateful underlying beliefs.

    They are all independent with very little in common. They are off point and irrelevant one to any other but seem to be conflated, one with the others, despite the decades between them and the difference in society at large, while we have a black pResident, a black Supreme Court Justice, the second black AG in a row and a woman, AG, to attempt to support an obfuscatory agenda of subterfuge.

    This is the illness you spread and you hide your own personal, racist, world view and your own faulty logic through your hate colored glasses.

    You’re just wrong! You’re looking for others like yourself, other white racists hiding in the bushes, hunting young black men whom you like to tell aren’t as good as those racists that hunt them, that they need you ‘understanding’ racists to protect them, that you’re on their side and you defend them; you get them!

    “it’s not really one group committing a disproportionate amount of crime: it’s really that the police are looking right past the others committing crime just so they can arrest the others, by race! it’s not the democrat party cult telling minorities they aren’t good enough to compete and keeping them on the urban welfare plantation, the no father at home, AFDC plantation, the no family values plantation, it’s the racist white and half white racists committing the real crime!”

    Does that about sum it up for you?

    Yeah! That’s the ticket!

    I guess if I vote for the democrat, I’ll get my check and I’ll have you to re-litigate my case if I attack someone, after I’m dead. Sure glad you’re here!

    it is you racists undo the work of Dr. King, how you nullify his beliefs, his struggles and accomplishments. You work so hard to spread racism and hate that it becomes impossible to judge a man, woman, child or group on the content of their character when we are what we do, not what we look like, make it impossible to be color blind because somebody will always pimp the race narrative.

    We’re stuck with one group that won’t accept reality, won’t deal with character, deeds, behavior and judge based on the color of skin. They, you, pimp racial hatred, feed it, sell it, crap it, spit it, smell of it and keep it in the air. That’s what racist race pimps do. that’s what people that don’t fit in the real world do. That’s what people that hate themselves do.

    Why don’t you try a diet, getting your stomach stapled, buy some Propecia, maybe get some counseling instead of spreading your own self hate? You’re what’s wrong with the world. You’re a part of the irrational world of racial hatred.

    You don’t have to spread hate! How about this: work on what’s wrong with you instead of feeding the race pimp-mobile!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Yessum! I be goin’ mas’r!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard. You’re saying that it is racist to say that racism exists and has a different effect on people of different races in a society. Kill yourself.

    “You believe that there is a power greater than people and based on race instead of behavior. ”

    Studies show that a white person with a felony conviction is more likely to get a job than a black person with a clean record and the same qualifications. Oh, I guess reality is racist now.

    Studies show that people with black sounding names on their resume are 50% less likely to get called in for an interview than when the same damn resume has a white-sounding name.

    The fact is that blacks and whites use drugs at the same rate per capita, but the overwhelming majority of people arrested and charged on drug offenses happen to be black. The fact is that you get the same time for 5 grams of crack (which is predominantly used by blacks) as you do for 500 grams of powder cocaine (primarily used by whites). These are the facts, retard.

    Look dumbass. Poor people commit more crime. Blacks are disproportionately poor, so it makes sense for a disproportionate number of blacks to become criminals. But you’ll never fucking comprehend that because you’re stuck in your right-wing nut job racist fantasy world.

    You keep calling me a race pimp, but you’re the one that fucking brought race up and keep wanting to talk about it when it isn’t even the damn subject of the debate.

    You say that I protect and defend the criminal, but last I checked, Zimmerman was the only one of the two that had a damn criminal record and a record for committing violent acts.

    NB4 “oh! you’re being racist by pointing out that there is inequality in the US and pointing out that ZIMMERMAN was the only person involved that had a criminal record and a record for violence!”

    Kill yourself, seriously.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Nope! Try again!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    This is ridiculous! You keep going in circles! It’s not a matter of whether martin had a right to be there. If you want to get down to it, neither martin was registered, even as a guest and not as paying residents so you need to stop telling that lie you told earlier, that his father was a paid resident; he was not.

    An argument could actually be made for whether the martins had a right to be there but I keep saying it’s not an issue, except when you try to make it one when you imply that zimmerman, an actual resident, an actual neighborhood watch volunteer, by your estimation had no right to investigate a person he did not recognize as a resident because he, in fact was not a resident. Are you following? Do I have to go back to small words and definitions?

    If you want to examine that concept, aaaagain, we have a non-resident you repeatedly claim had every right to be there and call his father’s girlfriend’s condo “home”, which it was not. Aaaagain, Dad had to have young, expelled, again, martin with him there because he couldn’t be trusted to stay, days, unsupervised at his uncle’s house. Aaaagain, young, expelled, untrustworthy martin had to come on pop’s trip to the girlfriend’s because he got himself thrown out of school, again!

    The real issue, whatever you think of zimmerman is that martin had a racist, entitled, angry attitude about a resident, a neighborhood watchman with every right to investigate a non-resident.

    You assign the racist attitude to the exact opposite party and you assign the attack, also to the exact opposite party. The guy you’ve chosen to champion, to be intimate about, calling him by his first name appeared when zimmerman, by his testimony was headed to meet the police. The only “evidence” you offer is your own personal, subjective, disbelief that what has been proven to have occurred is actually what happened. The only testimony or evidence you present is your own personal distrust of the guy you assign guilt and unfairly call a murderer with the craziest of rational, that this makes it right because OJ Simpson was acquitted? Seriously?

    No! The evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that g zimmerman reasonably believed he faced death or great bodily harm and used deadly force. He was acquitted by a jury and it was not a jury nullification, as stated in the irrelevant OJ Simpson case. The only unequal protection under the law was the charging of g zimmerman under pressure from the federal government that denied zimmerman the right to a grand jury charging and the fact that a judge and a state attorney, not a district attorney but a government force, unequal government force, to other cases and a judge to fail to dismiss a case that should not and could not be won by the state, with a jury where 6 of them said they wanted to find zimmerman guilt of something.

    You don’t get to race bash somebody on his own grounds, whether you’re a guest or not and seconds later straddle that man, beating, smothering, cursing, threatening, telling him to “shut up” banging his head into the ground and you, the peanut gallery does not get to say that it was a gentle beating just because you want it to be one, just because you want to nullify fear of great bodily harm.

    You are obsessed with this and you’re wrong. You’re wrong from front to back and the reason you’re wrong is that you’re seeing the world through racially prejudiced glasses. You argue off the point. You mis-characterize the facts. You make it something it isn’t; you apply conjecture, your own willful conjecture that you want the facts to be and you won’t trust zimmerman because you see him as a white man, an untrustworthy white man and you want to hate him. You do! You hate him and you can’t let him have an equal right to his vigilance on the grounds where he lives, in the community gated for his and other residents’ safety.

    You’re just wrong.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    There’s no such thing as being ‘registered’ to be in that neighborhood. Also, Zimmerman didn’t own the house that he was staying at, it belonged to his wife’s parents and he was renting it from them. You say that trayvon’s father was’t a resident, but where is your proof? You have none.

    Go away you butthurt retard.

  • gbpuzzler

    “neither martin was registered, even as a guest and not as paying residents so you need to stop telling that lie you told earlier, that his father was a paid resident; he was not.”

    Very few complexes require renters, let alone owners, to register guests who will only be there for a few days. People are allowed to have guests staying in their homes. Tracy and Trayvon Martin were allowed to be there as guests. It is a non-issue.

  • gbpuzzler

    “An argument could actually be made for whether the martins had a right to be there but I keep saying it’s not an issue, except when you try to make it one when you imply that zimmerman, an actual resident, an actual neighborhood watch volunteer, by your estimation had no right to investigate a person he did not recognize as a resident because he, in fact was not a resident.”

    zimmy may have been “an actual resident” but he was not “an actual neighborhood watch volunteer”. He volunteered to head up the chapter, and then it was never registered, because he failed to follow through on the steps required, such as speaking to everyone and recruiting block captains. And after calling the police, his actions were the opposite of what a neighborhood watch volunteer should have been doing. Neighborhood watch instructs people not to follow or attempt to confront people that they find suspicious, and especially not to do so while carrying a gun. And he had no right to investigate Trayvon Martin because being a neighborhood watch volunteer does not grant anyone the right to investigate people, only to observe and report (which are rights that they had anyway).

  • gbpuzzler

    “If you want to examine that concept, aaaagain, we have a non-resident you repeatedly claim had every right to be there and call his father’s girlfriend’s condo “home”, which it was not.”

    It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t his home. As a guest of a resident, he had a right to be on the grounds.

    “Aaaagain, Dad had to have young, expelled, again, martin with him there because he couldn’t be trusted to stay, days, unsupervised at his uncle’s house.”

    Trayvon Martin had been temporarily suspended from school. Both his mother and his uncle lived at the same home that he did.

    “The real issue, whatever you think of zimmerman is that martin had a racist, entitled, angry attitude about a resident, a neighborhood watchman with every right to investigate a non-resident.”

    zimmy was not a policeman and therefore had no right to investigate a non-resident. There is no evidence that Trayvon Martin had a racist, entitled, angry attitude about a resident. Rather, he had a concerned, perhaps scared, attitude about a stranger whose actions he found creepy, and he had no way of knowing whether the stranger was a resident or a neighborhood watchman. And the real issue is people’s actions, not their attitudes.

  • gbpuzzler

    “The guy you’ve chosen to champion, to be intimate about, calling him by his first name appeared when zimmerman, by his testimony was headed to meet the police.”

    Yes, by his statements to the police and others (not “testimony” since he didn’t testify at trial), but contrary to the evidence, which shows that he didn’t arrive back at this truck when, by his story, he should have, and that Martin’s body and other items ended up some distance down the path when, by Zimmerman’s story, they should have ended up by the T.

    “The only “evidence” you offer is your own personal, subjective, disbelief that what has been proven to have occurred is actually what happened. The only testimony or evidence you present is your own personal distrust of the guy you assign guilt and unfairly call a murderer with the craziest of rational, that this makes it right because OJ Simpson was acquitted? Seriously?”

    The evidence gives us reason to disbelieve his story, as well as the fact that he has lied about other things and keeps changing the details of his story.

    “No! The evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that g zimmerman reasonably believed he faced death or great bodily harm and used deadly force.”

    The evidence shows that, despite his claims, he had no reason to face death or great bodily harm. His injuries were very minor.

  • gbpuzzler

    “He was acquitted by a jury and it was not a jury nullification…”

    No, it was an inadequate presentation of the case and the meaning of the laws involved by the prosecution.

    “The only unequal protection under the law was the charging of g zimmerman under pressure from the federal government that denied zimmerman the right to a grand jury charging and the fact that a judge and a state attorney, not a district attorney but a government force, unequal government force, to other cases and a judge to fail to dismiss a case that should not and could not be won by the state, with a jury where 6 of them said they wanted to find zimmerman guilt of something.”

    No, unequal protection lay in the fact that the DA failed to file charges after the detective in charge of the case had recommended in favor of doing so, and that political pressure was required for the state attorney to step in. A grand jury was not required for a charge less than first degree murder, and the state attorney has made charges without use of a grand jury in many other cases. 4 of the 6 wanted to find Zimmerman guilty of something but were unable to do so because of the inadequate way that the laws were explained to them.

    “You don’t get to race bash somebody on his own grounds, whether you’re a guest or not and seconds later straddle that man, beating, smothering, cursing, threatening, telling him to “shut up” banging his head into the ground”

    There is no evidence except Zimmerman’s unsubstantiated claims that Trayvon Martin cursed Zimmerman, threatened him, told him to “shut up”, or banged his head into the ground. In fact, evidence would indicate that there was NO head-banging. And people have no right to shoot someone for a phrase that they use, regardless of where they are when they use it.

    “the peanut gallery does not get to say that it was a gentle beating just because you want it to be one, just because you want to nullify fear of great bodily harm.”

    That’s a mischaracterization. I have said that there was NO beating. No commenter on this message board said there was a gentle beating. I, and at least one other responder, have “nullifed fear of great bodily harm” because nothing happened that should have caused Zimmerman to fear great bodily harm.

    “You argue off the point. You mis-characterize the facts. You make it something it isn’t; you apply conjecture, your own willful conjecture that you want the facts to be …”

    Those are all descriptions of your own behavior on this message board.

    “You hate him and you can’t let him have an equal right to his vigilance on the grounds where he lives,…”

    There is no right to shoot someone who is only trying to get away from you, regardless of where you do it.

  • gbpuzzler

    ” …you won’t trust zimmerman because you see him as a white man, an untrustworthy white man and you want to hate him.:”

    I won’t trust Zimmerman because his story doesn’t fit known facts, and because he has lied about other things.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Since it seems to be your writing convention to say, retard at the beginning or end of a post, I’ll follow suit!

    Retard: It would have had to have been after the prosecution finished putting on its case or after the defense put on its case. The rules don’t allow any sort of motion in the middle of a trial. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

    While you’re down there, how did you get to twice from having said several times, before?

    Oh, almost forgot: Retard!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard with your double commenting to my comments.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Retard!

    I don’t know what you’re talking about. Zimmerman had a “Stand your Ground Procedure”, a procedure, only in states that have “stand your ground” laws. That’s all the immunity he needed

    Oh, Dumb 4$$! Is it retard or dumb 4$$?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Dumb4$$, is it? You’re hardly one to lecture me on writing! See, I’m following you.

    See, I’m not going to get involved in your irrelevant bull$#!+. I don’t think he said “that guy is an 4$$#0L3″. I do believe he said something about ‘these 4$$#0L3s always get away’, or something like that. You seem not to remember that there had been a lot of crime from the outside being perpetrated on the complex. Factually, this, also is irrelevant. It was a general, sweeping statement more aimed at 4$$#0L3s than specifically at t martin. It’s a bull$!+ contention and not at all relevant, especially because you can’t say that martin wasn’t an 4$$#0L3 by society’s standards.

    Like I said, as it turned out, t martin did turn out to be an 4$$#0L3 so, whatever. F’ing punk? That too! He could be talking about you and you’re not black. You’re not even someone self respecting whites would claim!

    That’s funny! Somebody invited you to a party! Rich! You all stand around ‘*mike dropping*’?

    Oh, I forgot, retard! That’s your convention for writing, right? Add “dumbass”, “retard” or “butthurt” when you address people smarter and more accomplished than yourself to make yourself feel normal? Oh and claim “intellect”! That’s a winner!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Retard; dumb4$$; idiot!

    The law does, did and always has backed me up. YOu’re delusional.

    Is it dumb 4$$, idiot or retard, retard?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! You’re butt-hurt! You’re also the retard, retard!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Do you just continuously make rules up as you go along? Oh, retard! Forgot that!

    OK! Let’s play change the subject and try to be right about something by making up rules! I’ll try to explain it to you!

    If you weren’t living with mom and ever lived on your own, in a complex, you’d have signed such a thing as a rental agreement, as did martin’s father’s girlfriend.

    In such agreements, you name the number of people registered under your agreement, number of keys, therefor, names of the other people registered under that agreement. Normally, there are rules for guests, how long they stay before they become registered residents.

    As for martin’s father, he was a guest of the registered tenant under the rental agreement. Martin’s father had been at the complex for less than a week at the time of the self defense case. Both Martins were residents in Miami Gardens. I don’t have to prove $#!+ to you to prove you lie and make that kind of $#!+ up when that kind of information was common knowledge almost 3 years ago.

    See, you get facts and because you’re so prejudice, you want to make $#!+ up and not trust it when somebody tells you. That’s your problem. you’re a racist and you don’t want to believe me. You don’t even want to believe you’re a racist or that somebody knows it.

    It’s a known fact that zimmerman was a registered resident at the complex and that martin but OK, if that’s important to your hatred, hate on.

    Oh, dumb $#!+. Is it that or is it “retard”? OK! Retard!

    You sure like wiggling around changing the subject! Should I say “go away” or “butthurt”?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Go away, you, butthurt, retard back! Oh you missed dumb 4$$ and idiot! There, I got it for you!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Was it two comments about which you were crying? How many is this? Should I call you a retard or is that understood?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

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  • gbpuzzler

    Zimmerman was entitled by law to a “stand your ground” procedure and opted not to have one. I see that you’ve invented your own “truth” in this just as you have in many other things.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Who’s the butt-hurt retard? From where I’m sitting, it’s you!

    You go away! This is your game so should I call you and idiot or dumb 4$$? OK; Idiot!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! I think you should go away.

    Oh, retard! Yeah, retard, right? Retard!

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    Who’s the butt-hurt retard? From where I’m sitting, it’s you!

    You go away! This is your game so should I call you and idiot or dumb 4$$? OK; Idiot!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No; I think you’re the butt-hurt retard! You go away! This is almost fun. I see why you’re addicted to it.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! You should take your retarded, hurt butt!

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  • Libertarian Soldier

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  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’re like the poster girl for destroyed butts. Walk of shame, now sweetie! Need the sitz bath, do you?

  • Libertarian Soldier

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  • Libertarian Soldier

    You know an attitude like yours, thinking you can be as rude and 4$$#0L3 as you want to be is what got martin killed! If you acted like you do on the street, instead of hiding your fat 4$$ behind a computer screen, you’d be enjoying your meals through a straw.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    How’s my bitch? You ain’t skinny and you ain’t pretty but you’s mine, my bitch! Gotta get some lipstick you that pig!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s what I thought! You should take your 4$$ on down the road. You brought your ignorant 4$$ to me with your racist bull$#!+. You should take your sore 4$$ and use it as a stick to find your way on out of here!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You should take this time to get mom to read up for you, maybe give you some new ideas that don’t include repeating the same thing you or someone else wrote over and over and don’t include racism and denial.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Childish loser!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

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  • Sophisticated Computer User

    hey, you’re free to fly on out to DC and see me without a computer screen, internet tough guy.

  • gbpuzzler

    Wrong, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, asking zimmy why zimmy was following him, and then fighting back to try to escape after zimmy tried to grab him is what got Trayvon Martin killed.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

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  • Libertarian Soldier

    Yeah…no! Not happening!

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  • Libertarian Soldier

    With no due respect, you should take your shameful baboon butt on down the road!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    With no due respect, you should take your tail tucked well spanked 4$$ on down the road! Use the short bus; that’s all you!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    With no due respect, you should take your tail tucked well spanked 4$$ on down the road! Use the short bus; that’s all you!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    With no due respect, you should take your shameful baboon butt on down the road!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    One of us has a flaming 4$$. I’ll give you a hint; it’s not me! You can go, now!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You should leave!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You go!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’re projecting!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You obviously have not shame! Just go! Keep going!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Meanwhile you’re trying so hard to get back at me while I’m not giving a fuck about you. Go away you butthurt retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    One of us has a flaming 4$$. I’ll give you a hint; it’s not me! You can go, now!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You obviously have not shame! Just go! Keep going!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re projecting!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away you butthurt retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You go!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Being you’re the only flaming butt and the one below standard intelligence, I think you must mean you but can’t admit that, either!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You should leave!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You should leave!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You should grow up, then take your own advice!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You should grow up, then take your own advice!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Being you’re the only flaming butt and the one below standard intelligence, I think you must mean you but can’t admit that, either!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    It must suck to not be able to say anything original. Run along, now, princess! Nothing but shame for you, here!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s what I thought!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You mean you. You should take your butt on down the line. It’s been pretty well smacked around, mostly by you.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You should take this time to get mom to read up for you, maybe give you some new ideas that don’t include repeating the same thing over and over and don’t include racism and denial.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Look in the mirror and call someone else a “butthurt retard”! Can’t do it; can you? Just stuck on stupid in that mirror!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    It must suck to not be able to say anything original. Run along, now, princess! Nothing but shame for you, here!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    That’s what I thought!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Wow! All that “intellect” you’ve been bragging about and that’s all you have? That’s what I thought!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    A wise man doesn’t waste his time finely crafting words when his audience is a fool. You’re the fool, so you are no longer worth any real investment of my time.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s original! I bet you’ve been wanting for me to go away since you started talking $#!+ and getting f’ed up! I bet you still think you’re in a debate! Who’s the retard?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    That’s original! I bet you’ve been wanting for me to go away since you started talking $#!+ and getting f’ed up! I bet you still think you’re in a debate! Who’s the retard?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    For the record, I wanted you to stop inundating my inbox with your stupidity.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    What’s it like to be brain-dead and still believe you have some overblown sense of intellect? You should be ashamed of yourself!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    What’s it like to be brain-dead and still believe you have some overblown sense of intellect? You should be ashamed of yourself!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Take your own advice! Run along, now, princess

  • Libertarian Soldier

    A “butthurt retard” says what?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I don’t think that means what you think it means.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    A “butthurt retard” says what?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Take your own advice! Run along, now, princess

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s what I thought!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Yeah, you’re a butthurt retard and you should go away.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That must not mean what you think it means

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    That must not mean what you think it means

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Talking to yourself!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Talking to yourself!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You really should. it’s a lot better than continuing to be a retard!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Yes, retard, you should!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Childish waste of time and DNA

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Yes, retard, you should!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You really should. it’s a lot better than continuing to be a retard!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s not me. That must be Mike again, slamming your inbox. He’s got you spitting it out!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    How would you know?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    How do you know?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re a butthurt retard, plus you can’t help but respond to all of my posts. You’ve got a compulsive need. That’s why you’re such a good lol-cow.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You sure are fixated with ‘mike’ and gay innuendo. Probably because you’re gay.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You have gay on the mind.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    ask around. You look like the cow!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I knew you were a bitch but now you’re my bitch! See, I said you weren’t in a debate. Loser!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    cool story bro

  • Libertarian Soldier

    How does it feel to be my bitch?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No, that’s mike again!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’re not answering. How does it feel to be my bitch, speaking of fags.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    How does it feel to be owned? You thought you were in a debate? Who told you that? A debate requires a discussion and since all you can do is cut and paste childish crap, you’ve called me Daddy? Don’t worry darlin’. Daddy loves you. You don’t have to be smart. You don’t have to pretend to have “intellect” Even when all you can do is cut and paste, you won’t just be a loser, you’ll be my loser!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Absolutely not! I don’t do men but I’ll still own you from afar, my little bitch!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    don’t think you can compete with me physically any more than you can mentally. You’re not competent. Fat bastard v specially trained Marine. You’re as stupid bout that as you are everything! You don’t know what a tough guy is, fatty!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s interesting! I’m not fat like the guy in the pic but I’ll still be your daddy! You’ll still be my little fat pig. Do Daddy a favor, change your pic to a spotted pig. If you’re going to be my bitch, I want some color!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Say Daddy for me! Pretty please, baby!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    How’s that “intellect”?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Speaking of “butthurt”, how’s yours?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Oh and speaking of retards, how you doin’?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Love that pic of you, sweetie! Looks like a fat head coming out of an over-sized, fatter 4$$!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Call me Daddy!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’ve made yourself my bitch, my little white girl, bitch!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s a good line. Maybe next time you can make up your own instead of stealing mine, loser.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Change your name to “forever my bitch”

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Were you threatening me? Do you really think you have any better a chance with me physically that mentally? You are a f’ing retard! You’re a fat fag and you’re probably 4′ tall. I’d wreck your fat retarded 4$$! Worse than mike has.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Here, bitchy, bitchy, bitch! Come to Daddy!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    How’s that butt, now? I’ll laugh if you say retard!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Come to Daddy!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Funny, that’s what I was going to say! In fact, you cut and pasted my post, you unoriginal, plagiarizing, fat bastard!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    There you go! Damn! I forgot “go away”!

    It’s funny that you have to cut and paste to make a remark. When you’re not cutting and pasting your own crap, you’re plagiarizing mine and you have the unmitigated gall to use the term retard on anybody but yourself.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Loser!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Come to Daddy!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    That’s a good line. Maybe next time you can make up your own instead of stealing mine, loser.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Childish loser!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Loser!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Me making a cut and paste a response = less than 1 second
    You typing out a try-hard insult = from 10 seconds to 10 minutes
    me not giving a fuck while you’re obviously butthurt= priceless

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Funny, that’s what I was going to say! In fact, you cut and pasted my post, you unoriginal, plagiarizing, fat bastard!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Then hop on a plane and come see then, internet tough guy. You’re the one threatening people over the internet because they hurt your precious feelings mr tough mareeen man. Nobody’s afraid of you so stop trying to sell woof tickets.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    No! You’re still the racist! Too dumb to know it. You think you’re better than blacks, that they’re not good enough and to keep them from kicking your 4$$, you pretend you’re there to help. You’re not just a racist, you’re a coward, too!

    Guess what, we tolerate your kind!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    More like I made you SAD

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I’m not going anywhere. My goal now is to waste as much of your time as humanly possible. Since you won’t fuck off on your own, now I won’t allow you to leave.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Shut me up, retard! Can’t shut yourself up from making a fool of yourself, f’ing retard, as if you’re normal! Really f’ing funny!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Sitting there, rolling in flour, trying to find your pecker! Loser! Baboon 4$$ed loser!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Don’t split hairs, shave them! What intellect!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re the one that needs to get over it. Look at what you’ve become. You’re now my pet. My entertainment.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Libertarian Soldier is forever my bitch!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    How’s that butt, now? I’ll laugh if you say retard!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Here, bitchy, bitchy, bitch! Come to Daddy!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Were you threatening me? Do you really think you have any better a chance with me physically that mentally? You are a f’ing retard! You’re a fat fag and you’re probably 4′ tall. I’d wreck your fat retarded 4$$! Worse than mike has.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Change your name to “libertarian sucker”

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’ve made yourself my bitch, my little white girl, bitch!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Call me Daddy!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    you’re a homo

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Oh and speaking of retards, how you doin’?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Speaking of “butthurt”, how’s yours?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    How’s that “intellect”?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    you’re a homo

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Having a ‘discussion’ with you is less enlightening than having a discussion with a brick wall, son.

  • gbpuzzler

    As I pointed out earlier, the x-rays that could prove or disprove the claim that his nose was broken do not exist, because Zimmerman chose not to get them. While we probably will never know for sure, it is reasonable to draw certain conclusions from the fact that he made this choice.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s what you got out of that? Jeez! We do know! We know for sure! Those of you that are in denial, allow me to explain this in a way that even you might be able to understand:

    It doesn’t matter. You’re not a lawyer, not a doctor, nothing. That’s you!

    To make this perfectly clear for all you haters that want g zimmerman to be the type of hater you are, let’s pretend for a minute that g zimmerman is white. Now let’s pretend he’s a white democrat, on his way to a Klan meeting, since that’s what you think, anyway. Let’s throw in some racial slurs that were actually made by martin but let’s pretend they were made by zimmerman. Let’s pretend zimmerman called martin the n word instead of martin calling zimmerman a “creepy 4$$ cracker”.

    I’m certain you’re feeling that. After all you’re haters and that’s your general demeanor; that’s how you want to see zimmerman, even if it’s been proven he’s not. Why let the facts get in the way of a good lie?

    Not a bit of that matters at the point when martin is seen and heard straddling zimmerman, zimmerman who is screaming like a girl, being stifled and smothered, threatened and his head being banged on the ground and you not being the doctors or lawyers you purport yourselves to be, can’t say whether zimmerman feared for his life but a jury believes he did and that his fear of death or great bodily harm was reasonable.

    Now what? What’s next? That kicks the $#!+ out of your whole argument.

    Except your playing lawyer, doctor, forensic expert, when we already had those at trial, the verdict still has to be not guilty, acquitted! That’s the law and you don’t have to get over it but damn, I mean DAMN!!! Get over it!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    While rational people will never care, for sure…irrelevant!

    No, the irrelevant, unnecessary, non-existent X-Rays you want to disprove the evidence isn’t either needed and wouldn’t make your pont, anyway. The factual point is proven with photos. The nose looks broken. It’s visibly swollen and damaged. I’ve seen broken noses and it looks broken but the nose doesn’t have to be broken. Let’s pretend, for a moment that an X-Ray was taken and it wasn’t broken.

    You don’t disappoint! You’re absolutely entertaining! However, your irrelevant, non-point, has absolutely no, none, not any, less than zero bearing on anything. It’s irrelevant, aaaaagaaaain. It doesn’t prove a thing. There is overwhelming evidence to prove deadly force reasonable and not enough, check that, zero proof that deadly force was not. Give it a rest. Give yourself a mental health break!.

    Get over it!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    What matters is you don’t count. Playing lawyer, playing doctor, playing psychologist, playing somebody that matters, you didn’t get the chance to persecute Zimmerman because you don’t understand the law. You couldn’t twist the law any more than the politicians tried to in bringing a kangaroo court charge going right past the grand jury process, going right past the DA’s office, going to the state’s attorney at the behest of the DOJ.

    Forget all that “Even assuming…” crap. That’s just crap.
    That’s just rewriting history, taking another bite at an apple that’s been devoured by a group of haters, race pimps and dividers, the like of which we haven’t seen in more than half a century. You people drive us back where we were and have corrupted and poisoned everything we had accomplished, as a society just a decade ago.

    Like Martin, I hope you get the justice you have coming before you find out how evil you are!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    More prejudiced conjecture and speculation! We already know what happened. It all fits and all the delusions in the world won’t change the fact that t martin got himself killed and you want there to be some boogeyman. You’re still in denial. Facts are facts, no matter how you want to controvert the evidence already over-adjudicated on a settled, mater.

    It’s because you race pimps want this to assign racial prejudice where it doesn’t belong. t martin’s personal, racial prejudice caused him to rage against whom he believed was white and didn’t have the right to investigate what a non-resident was doing inside a gated community.

    You’re backwards. You’ve transposed the roles of perpetrator and victim based on your own irrelevant, racially prejudiced testimony that doesn’t count.

  • JoseCuervo

    nope. sorry little man, still here

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Hey, while you’re down there…

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah! Justice!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Oh, good, you’re not even an amateur lawyer, in your own mind; you’re a fat, white (caucasian, anyway, don’t think the whites would claim you), racist, chemist, sympathetic to thugs, as it were.

    Wow, your stupidity is astounding! You want to correct somebody on your personal preference since you identify with “treyvon”, as you refer to him, while you’re so prejudiced you call the other by his last name!

    You couldn’t be objective if you tried and you’re obviously not trying.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Don’t you ever get real?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No life!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Says the guy searching through comments I made 2 months ago at 3:48 am while I’m sleeping and not thinking about him.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah! Butthurt!

  • gbpuzzler

    Let me make this perfectly clear to you. Zimmerman shot Martin and what he called him before he did so is irrelevant except to the extent that it serves to explain motive or frame or mind.

    And nobody saw who was screaming, heard Martin threatening Zimmerman, or saw Zimmerman being stifled, smothered, or having his head banged into the ground. The only so-called evidence that we have for any of these things are Zimmerman’s words, despite all the efforts of his lawyers to convince the jury that this is what happened. And I don’t need to play doctor, lawyer or forensic expert to see any of these things, I just need to pay attention to what was actually said.

  • gbpuzzler

    “Not a bit of that matters at the point when martin is seen and heard straddling zimmerman, zimmerman who is screaming like a girl, being stifled and smothered, threatened and his head being banged on the ground and you not being the doctors or lawyers you purport yourselves to be, can’t say whether zimmerman feared for his life but a jury believes he did and that his fear of death or great bodily harm was reasonable.

    Now what? What’s next? That kicks the $#!+ out of your whole argument.”

    No, because from reports of what happened, it is likely that many of the jurors did not, in fact, believe those things. At best, it is unclear whether they did. They were legally forced to deliver a not guilty verdict because they didn’t have the explanation of what manslaughter would have entailed, and they needed to understand that definition in order to deliver a guilty verdict.

  • gbpuzzler

    Don’t you?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Still wrong! It changes nothing! I’m not conceding it but even if you were right, you’re still wrong!

    Let me explain, again: even if we were to imagine zmmerman was a white man, a racist, on his way to a Klan meeting and yelling racial slurs at martin, that only mitigates martin’s own intent. In the real world, that doesn’t erase the intent of the actual perpetrator. martin, who was in the act of a crime.

    Intent is only relevant in your mind.

    All bets are off once martin meets justice. You’re arguments continue to be irrelevant.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Unadulterated bull$#!+

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! Look who’s projecting! Transference!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Irrelevant, like every other weak, non-responsive excuse for an argument. Quit whining!

    You’re so below muster, you don’t know that you’re not only not debating but if you were, you’d be losing your 4$$!

    What’s next? Does that make me guilty of murder? No! I rest my case!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You give yourself way too much credit. Must have the world record for participation medals! You think you garner some kind of consideration? I just answer the ignorant fcuks that address me. You have no kind of importance; you’re just up next, like a whore in a brothel, you’re simply something I use to sharpen my thinking, and in your case, dull it and throw you away.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Yes!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’re a little girl. I might be old enough to be your grandfather and you think you’re my mom? You’re a bitch, my bitch. Keep acting like it.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No, that’s your other Dad who’s gay.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Says the guy acting like a pre-schooler. Unless you fought in WWII, you’re not old enough to be my grandfather. Also, you’re clearly my bitch. Have been since day 1.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re a homo.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Changed your name! Make your last name bitch and use my name so everybody knows!

    Since I own you; you should say, tell everybody!

    Yeah, I’m the preschooler!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Now you have my name! You’re going to have to stop acting like an 9 year old, now. You represent me, your Daddy, your pimp, your retailer! Be a good bitch and tell me about your “intellect” about how you’re someone’s, Griz2000isforevermyslave’s master!

    Nobody else can claim you because I own you and you took my name!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Non-responsive! Irrelevant! Get real! I am real! You’re a caricature! Get real!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Keep projecting while I laugh at you.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Who’s griz2000 slavemaster? Look at my name.

    You’re my bitch.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Look at you trying so hard while I’m not giving a fuck about you.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I changed my name so the world knows that you’re my bitch.

  • gbpuzzler

    “A general statement that the 4$$#0L35 always get away doesn’t apply to martin, even if he was an 4$$#0L3. He didn’t get away.”

    That’s a stupid argument. Zimmerman uttered that comment before he went chasing after Martin specifically BECAUSE he believed that Martin was getting away and wanted to keep him from doing so.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    wow, you’re butthurt. You’re still responding to shit that I said two years ago. I got you on a leash.

    “Give it to me, baby!”

    Nigga, you gay.

  • gbpuzzler

    Maybe on one distorted photo, taken at an angle and not straight ahead, the nose looks broken. On later photos and videos, it doesn’t. So that isn’t proof.

    What is this other “overwhelming evidence” you mentioned? It seems to be based on, first, Zimmerman’s own claims – and he has lied about plenty of other things. Secondly, the testimony of ONE witness – and if you examine his evidence closely, he had no real knowledge of whether or not anyone was being hit hard or even at all. He didn’t actually see any blows being landed or see Zimmerman’s face or body well even to see whether there were any injuries. All other related statements and testimony (the paramedics, the PA, Dr. Rao) indicate that Zimmerman had minor injuries, so where is your “overwhelming evidence” of deadly force, or even an expectation of imminent deadly force?

  • gbpuzzler

    The issue is not who was more of a racist. That wasn’t one of the issues being litigated. And no matter what racist slurs either one used while on the phone with a third party, or even yelled at each other, it would have resulted in no litigation at all without a crime of violence having been committed.

    And the fact is, Zimmerman intentionally shot and killed Martin. And no matter how you try to spin it, it is unlikely that Martin would have involved himself in a fight with Zimmerman if Zimmerman hadn’t decided to confront him, and even less likely that Zimmerman was, at any time, in danger of suffering life-threatening injuries at Martin’s hands.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Hey! Here’s an idea: When you’re a guest in somebody else’s community, how about not thinking of somebody else who does pay to be there as an actual resident, not referring to them in a racial slur and just continue taking your 4$$ to where you’re going?

    How about that? How about going where you set out to go and not turning on the neighborhood watchman, not pounding his head into the ground, not telling him to shut up, not smothering him with your hands, not pummeling him about the head and shoulders?

    How about that? I’m fairly tired of you people victim shaming and perpetrator supporting based on race, based on a racist, ingrate, thug! I’m thinking of the next black kid that thinks he’s invincible, who has no regard for somebody when he’s somebody’s visitor but thinks he should confront and attack that resident.

    You people are dishonest. You repeat, over and over the same failed objections. They have been answered again and again but your race and emotion based learning disabilities keep you from the understanding a jury that wanted to convict him did not, could not.

    You people are bad for America because you believe against any credible belief that your insignificant little objection changes the complexion of a settled case, a case that has already given your little pieces of obscure subterfuge and irrelevance in a sea of evidence and believe against hope and reason that this will change something, somebody’s mind or a verdict you can’t change, either!

    That hasn’t worked. Try something new. Find some piece of evidence, real evidence, real, applicable evidence, something relevant that might change someone’s mind instead of droning on about nothing, based on nothing except your own race based, prejudiced opinions that just don’t count for anything!

    There’s another idiot that believes this is a debate. It’s not! For me it’s about a futile exercise in and attempt at educating people with emotionally, racially based, learning disabilities.

    It’s not a debate! If it was, you’d have lost when you began because it is settled. You just won’t learn and you repeatedly use the same exact objections to reality and the law, believing you might change the verdict or the minds of people without your specific disability.

    How about this: Why don’t you go out and teach young people, including young black men courtesy, respect, how to think of people they encounter, of whatever race, not as threats but as other people? How about you teach kids manners? How about not to use comments like, “creepy 4$$ cracker”? How about thinking, thinking first, thinking, “I’m someone else’s guest and I should act accordingly”? How about teaching kids not to do what martin did? How about getting over this crap about martin having a right to be somewhere. Factually, neither martin registered with the gated community management, even as a guest.

    There are no words to explain the number of times I’ve heard or read the bull$#!+ statement that he ‘was just trying to go home’! That’s bull$#!+! Plain and simple, that’s all it is. T martin was a thug and a bad actor expelled and not for the first time from his school and could not be trusted to be home, with his uncle, in Miami Gardens. If he’d been a good kid, his uncle wouldn’t have had to send him to accompany his father with his girlfriend, for the week they were there.

    If t martin was a good kid, he wouldn’t have a goldmine grill, wouldn’t have had pictures with weapons on his FB page shooting gang signs. If he were a good kid, he wouldn’t have been sent to live, by the mother, with the uncle because she couldn’t supervise him. If he were a good kid, he wouldn’t have been suspended from the school when he lived with the mother and wouldn’t have had a reputation for being aggressive and violent in his schools.

    You can’t use the propaganda you’ve used against g zimmerman who’s life has been turned upside down if you want to apply pictures of martin that were over 3 years old and didn’t truly depict the thug he was. You can’t take a racial slur made by a documented, violent, aggressive individual and make absurd assertions that maybe martin was attacked. That mus be rejected wholly on its face. That wasn’t martin and that’s not the demeanor of martin from the last two people to have contact with martin. That is a dishonest narrative based on conjecture, based on lies.

    One of these guys called the cops. One of these guys answered in the affirmative with the police and there is no evidence, none, that controverts that claim no matter how much you want to assert it based on nothing but what you will it to be.

    You can never, will never change my mind or change the verdict based on the bull$#!+, unsubstantiated claims you make over and over. You waste you life and time which could be better served teaching the young prospective martins manners, respect, courtesy! How about that? How about respect for your elders? We didn’t have a lot of these issues when we were teaching our kids. My kids don’t attack people because they’re annoyed! When you’re on somebody else’s property, not your own and you’re a guest, you don’t turn on the resident! You don’t think of or describe them with racist terms! My kids don’t because they, not t martin are good kids and are good adults.

    You people are f’ed up. There’s something wrong with your processes when you repeatedly misrepresent the facts with adulterated, colored anecdotal evidence that not only doesn’t add anything, ex-post facto but didn’t add a thing de facto, during the trial. Asked and answered! You have the right to ask again but it won’t change the complexion of the case if it didn’t turn it with people better equipped to deal with it than you.

    So, I await an announcement of your workshop on teaching kids how to be good citizens, not entitled acting, disrespectful ingrates on somebody else’s common areas and paid property!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Ding, ding, ding! Wow! For a second you stopped being a loser. You said it doesn’t matter who’s more racist because there’s only one in this situation and one criminal that turned it into a crime, that’s martin!

    Second, you went all downhill from there! You continue to make assertions from your own personal testimony based on, oh, nothing, based on not testimony, no physical evidence, no forensic evidence and nothing but a guy that started a gun fight without first arming himself.

    Wasting your life and my time! Again, get help before it’s too late!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Irrelevant! Seriously? Why do yo continue to put yourself through it? There never was a case and you’re some kind of deluded narcissist if you think you’re qualified to make one now!

    Welcome to legal theory 1a! What you see above is exactly opposite what you want to be your “smoking gun” if you’re looking for a conviction, especially absent any evidence you want to make your case. Most of the evidence would be damning if the actual victim, Zimmerman did not have a weapon to defend himself and he was killed or experienced brain injury sufficient to medially render him an incompetent.

    Much of what GeeBy is arguing might, might be used to argue mitigation at martin’s sentencing.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    So, you’re going to call me a “nigga”. Fucking racist cracker! You need a good 4$$ kicking! i’d love for you to say that to me! I’d put you down, quick! you wouldn’t get the a or the er, out of your mouth before I was doing my civic duty putting you down like the racist 4$$#0L3 you are and stomping that defective, racist brain right through the cracks an orifices in your fat, white, racist skull! You shouldn’t hide behind a screen and keyboard! You should find someone like me and not whisper it but say it out loud!

    You could visit racist martin in the racist afterlife! F’ing racist 4$$#0L3!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    So, the last guy that made you his bitch, Grizz2000 isn’t forever your slave anymore. Is forever over for you? So, if you don’t like gay, why’d you take my name as if you were my wife?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Yeah! That worked! It just let everybody know how utterly bugged you are. You don’t even know you practically got a marriage license when you took my name, making you mine! I own you and you said so when you took my name!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I think the only thing you give a f’ about is the guy laying on your back! Does he ride the wave when he smacks your fat 4$$?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    lol. so you think nigga is a racist word? ok son.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    damn you’re butthurt.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Damn you have gay on the brain. You have a fixation.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    yeah. if it is so irrelevant then why are you commenting on what I said two months ago?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Dad here! That’s a lie!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Exactly! Now you’re mine! That’s the last guy that owned you! You want to be my wife. You took my name like you did the last guy who owned your fat 4$$! That doesn’t make you my wife just because you want to be. That’s funny!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Seriously? You’re going to play stupid? I don’t remember what you used to call yourself when the other guy owned you, before, so you’re you’re going to play stupid? Really? You know who used to own you “forever” before slammed your 4$$ and made you my bitch! You can’t even come up with anything original besides =My Bitch after I already made you and claimed you as my bitch!

    Did you think that anybody doesn’t know you’re so, let’s say 4$$$lammed that you have to take my name to try to save face? You don’t know that’s because you’re so ignorant, so resistant to being educated that you think you’re in a debate and your learning disability means you’re competing in a debate?

    This is not a debate. If it was you would have lost before you begun because of the facts, the law and the predetermined outcome, the verdict.

    So, forever is over for you, huh! I erased the 4$$$lamming you got from him from your memory, forever! That’s sweet!

    You’re welcome!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You’re my bitch. Griz was my punching bag till he fucked off from the internet. Now you’re my punching bag. Neither of you faggots ever owned me. You’re my entertainment. You think I changed my name because you made me mad or got some sort of upper hand? Nah man, I did it to fuck with you because you’re soft as table butter and easy to manipulate.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    keep bitching.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    wow, you’re an incredibly butthurt bitch.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Keep being my bitch, bitch!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    shut the fuck up. You haven’t had an intelligent thing to say this entire time.

  • gbpuzzler

    The grounds belonged just as much to Brandy Green (the person that Trayvon Martin was staying with) and to all the other residents living there as they did to Zimmerman. Do you think that they had wanted Martin to be shot to death on THEIR grounds?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Oh, you’re really bright! Not! By the way, you have it backwards. If I want any crap out of you, I’ll squash your fat head, my racist bitch!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Oh, you’re really bright! Not! by the way, you have it backwards. If I want any crap out of you, I’ll squash your fat head, my racist bitch!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Yeah! That’s it!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Yeah! That’s it!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    damn three responses to my one comment. I must have struck a nerve!

    Stay buttmad.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You didn’t rattle my cage. I’m sitting here laughing at you while you’re frantically trying to get me back at me for owning the fuck out of your ass repeatedly.

    By the way. Not going anywhere. I don’t retreat when I’m winning.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I think everybody’s laughing at you!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    That’s funny since you’re the only one here making struggle comments to me. MFW i see the levels of fail that you’re capable of.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Thanks, fat 4$$ed, mini me!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Cool story bro. keep trying hard and failing. lol

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    stay buttmad. Your anguish entertains me.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    damn dude, you keep giving my posts multiple responses. You’re so whipped, you keep showing that my comments are important to you while screeching that they aren’t important! lol

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s a good pic of you! Is that before you lost your hair and blew up? How fat are you ,now? Over 400?

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Not a pic of me. I assume that your face looks like a car engine?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Since I’m fairly certain you don’t have friends, get mom or the teacher to read this thread and tell you honestly, since nobody’s been honest with you yet about anything if you still think you own any “intellect” and ask her who’s the idiot! You probably hear it a lot and yet you still think that “intellect” is a virtue you possess, so it shouldn’t hurt too bad. Besides, I’m fairly certain you’re in denial about that, too!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    What did you do with your 6.5 bull$#!+ points? You took them down? Coward!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I didn’t take anything down retard.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Go away, retard. You don’t have anything intelligent to say.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Cool story bro. Stay buttmad.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    I rest my case!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    is that supposed to be me or whom you whom you aspire, wannabe!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Try resting 6 feet underground. That’s more fitting for you.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    MFW = My Face When

    You’re a retard.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You must be great at math! It takes you how long to cut and paste? ‘Less than a second’? You’re funny! Oh, then it takes me 10 minutes to write. Admittedly, sometimes it does but that’s the difference between living in fairyland where you’re able to do anything in less than a second, when your smartest responses are to plagiarize me and being in reality where the laws of physics, the laws of the state and intellect are actual concepts and not delusions in a disturbed racist’s mind.

    Owned!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Cool story bro.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Wow! What an intellectual response! Kudos!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s only less intelligent than the last one!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Clever!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Yeah, that’s it!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Where’d they go?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s not a car engine, doofus! That’s my motorcycle’s engine! Are you sure you’re from detroit? That used to be a car engine manufacturing mecca until the democrats raped it.

    So, what’s your story? The brothers rape you, take your lunch money, beat you up a lot so now you think you’re a rapper? Now, you pretend to be one and to be a racist for them so they’ll stop kicking your 4$$? Helsinki syndrome? Is that what’s responsible for your identity crisis? Is that why you have no relationship with reality? Is that why you think you can call me by the “N word”?

    Here’s a nickel’s worth of free advice: Stop whispering the N word when you’re around black men. Don’t say it at all! Don’t write it, even if you think you can hide behind a computer screen and keyboard. It doesn’t matter whether you use it with an er or an a. It’s a racist term and it doesn’t make you cool.

    If you were to say it to my face, with or without an a or an er, I’d take you down and stomp the defective, racist brain right out of your skull. So, don’t use it again, with me and stop using at all. It doesn’t make you cool but it could make you dead. Seriously!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I never said I was from Detroit, retard. Also I didn’t take a close look at your pic. I just see something that looks mechanical and has belts on it.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    I don’t know. I didn’t take them down.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Yup. Good to see you admit it.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    You set yourself up.

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Stay buttmad

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Cool story, bro.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No belts!

  • Sophisticated Computer User

    Whatever. I didn’t take a close look at it.

  • gbpuzzler

    You claimed that there is “overwhelming evidence” to prove deadly force reasonable. So where is this evidence that you claim? This is far from being irrelevant to what you said.

  • gbpuzzler

    “Most of the evidence would be damning if the actual victim, Zimmerman did not have a weapon to defend himself and he was killed or experienced brain injury sufficient to medially render him an incompetent”

    The actual victim is the person who died. Trayvon Martin, not the person who shot him after receiving slight injuries, George Zimmerman.

    Despite the claims of Zimmerman and his family members, Zimmerman was nowhere near experiencing “brain injury sufficent to medially (sic) render him an incompetent”. As described by witnesses during the trial, his injuries were not that serious. He had no symptoms of having received even a slight concussion, and there is no evidence that he would have received one if the altercation had continued. He got a few scrapes, which were bleeding a lot because the scalp has a lot of blood vessels close to the surface, and a bloody nose.

    And the fact is that Zimmerman did have a gun to defend himself, and because of that, he clearly knew that if Martin did not also have a gun, the danger to himself was minimal, because he had that gun to fall back on.

    Your phrase “Most of the evidence would be daming” seems to be assuming a prosecution of Martin if he had survived. There is nothing in the actual evidence to show that this is what would have happened. If Martin had survived, he would have had his own story to tell, and it would undoubtedly be very different than the BS that Zimmerman made up about having his head banged against the pavement. And the evidence showing that Zimmerman followed him in his truck, then on foot, would tend to speak on Martin’s behalf.

  • gbpuzzler

    “Much of what GeeBy is arguing might, might be used to argue mitigation at martin’s sentencing.”

    What sentencing? In the first place, Trayvon Martin was a minor, so the whole process would have been different. In the second place, who knows whether he would have even been charged with anything, if he had been alive to tell his side of things, and the police and DA’s office had actually sorted things out. In the first place, zimmy is the one who instigated things by following Martin, first in his truck and then on foot, and didn’t return to his truck when advised to do so. In the second place, there is no evidence, none, that Martin started the physical altercation. In the third place, it is not even clear whether Martin caused any of zimmy’s injuries in any kind of direct way, as opposed to the injuries resulting from, say, zimmy running into a tree branch in the dark, or slipping on the wet grass. If Martin had still been alive, it is not likely that charges would have been brought against him on the basis of phony claims like zimmy’s head-banging story, or zimmy claiming that his nose was broken without getting any x-rays to prove it.

  • gbpuzzler

    “Most of the evidence would be damning if the actual victim, Zimmerman did not have a weapon to defend himself and he was killed or experienced brain injury sufficient to medially render him an incompetent.”

    In other words, there might be damning evidence if everything had happened in a way that was totally different from the way that things did happen. Zimmerman was not an actual victim, he was the perp. He shot Martin with a gun that he had on him just in case he felt the need to shoot someone. And his head injury consisted of some minor wounds with no brain injury at all. Zimmerman had followed Martin in his truck and then pursued him on foot for no good reason. There is no evidence to show that Martin had been committing any crime at all, even during the altercation.

  • gbpuzzler

    Yes, I did say that it doesn’t matter who was more racist. The rest of your sentence doesn’t match what I said. zimmy certainly was at least mostly responsible, and perhaps totally responsible, for turning it into a crime. And he was responsible for causing the incident to result in a death when it didn’t need to.

  • gbpuzzler

    “Hey! Here’s an idea: When you’re a guest in somebody else’s community, how about not thinking of somebody else who does pay to be there as an actual resident, not referring to them in a racial slur and just continue taking your 4$$ to where you’re going?”

    If there’s a creepy guy following me for no apparent reason, and he won’t explain why even when I ask him, how am I supposed to know that he he is a resident of the community? And what does it matter what I call him when talking on the phone to someone else, when he has his car windows rolled up and won’t hear me anyway? And why would I be faulted for not taking my 4$$ to where I’m going when the creepy guy was the one who prevented me from getting there?

    “How about going where you set out to go and not turning on the neighborhood watchman, not pounding his head into the ground, not telling him to shut up, not smothering him with your hands, not pummeling him about the head and shoulders?”

    zimmy was only the “neighborhood watchman” by appointing himself to do it. Nobody else consented to that appointment, he never identified himself to Martin as such, and Martin never did any of the things that you described in this quote.

    ” I’m fairly tired of you people victim shaming and perpetrator supporting based on race, based on a racist, ingrate, thug! I’m thinking of the next black kid that thinks he’s invincible, who has no regard for somebody when he’s somebody’s visitor but thinks he should confront and attack that resident.”

    And I’m tired of you people making up lies to make a dead teenager look like a thug, in order to make your hero’s actions seem justified. There is no evidence that Martin decided to confront zimmy in any way other than verbally. There is no evidence that Martin decided to attack zimmy.

    ” Find some piece of evidence, real evidence, real, applicable evidence, something relevant that might change someone’s mind instead of droning on about nothing, based on nothing except your own race based, prejudiced opinions that just don’t count for anything!”

    I have pointed out several potentially relevant bits of evidence. You have done nothing except to repeat the same old lies, slurs, and meaningless insults of the racist ZImmerman acolytes, hurl insults, and claim that the result of the trial proves that Martin brutally attacked Zimmerman and what Zimmerman did was right. It doesn’t, and it wasn’t.

  • gbpuzzler

    “There’s another idiot that believes this is a debate. It’s not! For me it’s about a futile exercise in and attempt at educating people with emotionally, racially based, learning disabilities.”

    To you “educating” seems to mean insulting anyone who disagrees with you and telling them that they’re stupid or learning disabled, repeating old tired lies about the shooting victim, and claiming that the verdict proves that you’re right because it couldn’t possibly have been wrong. That’s not a good way to convince anyone.

    “Factually, neither martin registered with the gated community management, even as a guest.”

    And you know this how? Have you ever seen a copy of the guest registration ledger? Have you ever read a statement or heard trial testimony from anyone who actually has seen a copy of the guest registration ledger?

    “T martin was a thug and a bad actor expelled and not for the first time from his school and could not be trusted to be home, with his uncle, in Miami Gardens.”

    Trayvon Martin had never been expelled from school.

    “If t martin was a good kid, he wouldn’t have a goldmine grill, wouldn’t have had pictures with weapons on his FB page shooting gang signs.”

    Trayvon Martin did not have a goldmine grill at the time of his death. Martin had not put these pictures on his FB page, they were put up after his death by racist Zimmerman acolytes trying to making Trayvon look like a thug.
    “You can’t take a racial slur made by a documented, violent, aggressive individual and make absurd assertions that maybe martin was attacked.”

    Trayvon Martin had no history of being violent or agressive. That was zimmy.

    “That wasn’t martin and that’s not the demeanor of martin from the last two people to have contact with martin.”

    And who were the last two people? zimmy has lied about many hings, there is no reason to believe what he said just because he said it. Rachel Jeantel portrayed Trayvon Martin as being worried or afraid of zimmy, of running to get away from him and having had no intention of getting into a fight. Or do you mean the store clerk at the 7-11, who had a totally unremarkable, unmemorable, non-violent interaction with Martin?

    And when it comes to teaching kids, maybe you should teach kids not to follow someone with a loaded gun just because you believe that he’s walking in the wrong place, not to shoot someone when you start a fight with someone and he tries to fight back, and not to write vile lies about someone who’s dead.

  • gbpuzzler

    “My kids don’t attack people because they’re annoyed!”

    You mean, the way that zimmy attacked Trayvon Martin?

  • gbpuzzler

    “Hey! Here’s an idea: When you’re a guest in somebody else’s community, how about not thinking of somebody else who does pay to be there as an actual resident, not referring to them in a racial slur and just continue taking your 4$$ to where you’re going?

    How about that? How about going where you set out to go and not turning on the neighborhood watchman, not pounding his head into the ground, not telling him to shut up, not smothering him with your hands, not pummeling him about the head and shoulders?”

    Most teenagers use offensive language sometimes. If your kids are high school age or older, it is highly likely that they have done so, regardless of what you claim that you have taught them. (In fact, given the way that you behave on this comment board, I would just about bet that they have done so, because what you do is a stronger message than what you tell them to do.) Most teenagers do not initiate unprovoked attacks on the people that they insult. Get over it.

    On the other hand, here are some of the things that are known about what happened in the incident that led to Zimmerman shooting Trayvon Martin. Note that this is based on actual evidence:

    Trayvon Martin ran away from George Zimmerman. (Evidence; Zimmerman’s police phone call, Zimmmerman’s police statements, Rachel Jeantel’s testimony.)

    Trayvon Martin continued his phone call with Jeantel. He did not hang up in order to be prepared to attack Zimmerman. (Evidence: Jeantel’s testimony, phone records that list the time the call terminated.)

    When the two met up, Martin spoke to Zimmerman, asking “What are you following me for?” or “What’s your problem?” depending on whose version you believe. He did not immediately attack Zimmerman. (Evidence: Jeantel’s testimony, Zimmerman’s statements.)

    Martin did not prepare himself for a fight by obtaining something that he could use as a weapon. (Evidence: Neither Zimmerman nor any trial witness describes Martin obtaining, having, or using a weapon during the altercation.)

    Martin was heard to say “Get off, get off” after apparently dropping his phone. (Jeantel’s testimony.)

    So, the evidence shows a teenager who runs away from a person who may try to harm him, continues speaking on the phone to a friend, does not prepare himself to fight by ending the call or obtaining a potential weapon, and when he meets up with the person who has been following him, speaks to him rather than attacking him. Gee, that really sounds like a vicious person who wants to get into a fight, doesn’t it? NOT!

  • gbpuzzler

    ” I’m fairly tired of you people victim shaming and perpetrator supporting based on race, based on a racist, ingrate, thug!”

    Yes, people like you who support Zimmerman, a man with a history of violence, who followed a black teenager based on racial profiling, and killed him for no good reason. That makes him a perpetrator and a thug.

    “I’m thinking of the next black kid that thinks he’s invincible, who has no regard for somebody when he’s somebody’s visitor but thinks he should confront and attack that resident.”

    And I’m thinking of the next black kid, who gets painted as being a thug by people making up and repeating a bunch of lies, who get looked on with suspicion and perhaps is killed because he’s black.

    “You people are bad for America because you believe against any credible belief that your insignificant little objection changes the complexion of a settled case, a case that has already given your little pieces of obscure subterfuge and irrelevance in a sea of evidence and believe against hope and reason that this will change something, somebody’s mind or a verdict you can’t change, either!”

    People like you are the ones who are bad for America. You further incite racial suspicions and hatreds by repeating lies about a black teenager who was killed, falsely claiming that he violently assaulted someone who was being “responsible”, and making up an repeating stories that make him out to be a violent thug. Zimmerman was a violent bully and a liar, not a good guy who was looking out for his neighbors!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Really? You’re a guest of a resident, in a gated community, you don’t think that’s perhaps a guy who lives here, a guy that might, at least complain to the HOA or managers if you attack him? You’re going to cop a racist attitude? That’s really what needs to be addressed. You’re a guest! Why don’t you understand that? Why play dumb and call him a “creepy guy” when that’s not the frame of thought?

    “Creepy 4$$ cracker”! Got that? “Creepy 4$$ cracker!” Not creepy guy! Not someone you don’t know what he wants! He’s never seen you! You’re a guest!

    While I’m certain your dishonesty will, again, prevent you from understanding this, I’ll explain it, anyway.

    If one of my kids had a guest in my back yard, whether it’s a common area or not, he’s unescorted, he’d better not call me a creepy 4$$ anything! He’d better not give me an attitude, as if I don’t have a right to inquire. He’d better not confront me! George Zimmerman called the police because there’d been a rash of crime on his gated community and he noted an unescorted stranger on it. Don’t you dare continue to comment off the subject about the common area in a gated community or whether martin had a ‘right to be there’. That’s off the point.

    If my son or daughter, any member of my family leaves anybody unescorted on my grounds, I’m going to check it out, period. Don’t say it’s different. It’s not.

    If I were to get any attitude from a friend or acquaintance of one of my family, he’s going to get it from me. Visitors in my home know, because my relatives respect me, to let a visitor, in my home, on my grounds, where I pay to dwell, what time it is and he knows that if I get grief from anybody about any of his guests that I will make an unfriendly visit on him about it. Therefor, his friends and acquaintances know not to think of me as the creepy anything when they visit and not to disrespect, confront, defy and certainly not to attack anybody that does live here.

    Don’t keep trying to deliberately misunderstand the point! That’s the point and if you don’t get it, you’re trying not to get it. You have been!

    You have no evidence! You have your own biased conjecture! That’s all you have. You can’t even call a man by his name because you’re so biased, so racist, so prejudiced! You need to think about your mental health because it’s bad. You refuse to think reasonably and to accept fact and law. You refuse to accept simple reasonable concepts because you don’t want to understand, because you’re obstinately obnoxious and belligerent toward a man of standing on his own grounds and you support a dis-proven, unsubstantiated, fallacious, racist narrative and you continue to attempt to advance it

    You need help! You need to get over it. You stack up your pile of word turds and someone knocks them down so you just repeat it, as if this time, this moment in time, somebody will agree with your skewed, flawed logic, somebody will believe you and maybe up-vote your crazy, obsession!

    You need help! You need somebody to care about you enough to set you straight, to keep you away from the tin foil-hat and the computer.

    Get help!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Racist nincompoop!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    What is far from being irrelevant? I’ve already said a lot so to what I said?

    OK, anyway! You can find that overwhelming evidence in between the prosecution’s opening statement and the “Not Guilty” verdict. It was sufficient to evoke a not guilty verdict. Case closed! Wake the f’ up!

    There’s physical evidence, actual forensic evidence in the broken nose you doubt, even though it wouldn’t matter if it wasn’t. There was blood coming from Zimmerman’s nose and mouth. There was damage to the back of zimmerman’s head. This is physical evidence that supports the statement given by G Zimmerman.

    Witnesses heard and saw what they believed to be exactly what G Zimmerman stated and the forensic, physical evidence where t martin lay dead confirmed with expert testimony. I’m satisfied with the facts and the verdict.

  • gbpuzzler

    The defense’s opening statement came right after the prosecution’s opening statement. That isn’t evidence, it’s the defense saying what they hope to show. Neither is the verdict. That’s six people saying that that they didn’t get enough information to issue a guilty verdict.

  • gbpuzzler

    And I don’t suppose that you would care to break your precedent by naming anything specific? As far as I can see, there was a lot of evidence in there that doesn’t back up a claim of deadly force being reasonable.

  • gbpuzzler

    “There’s physical evidence, actual forensic evidence in the broken nose you doubt, even though it wouldn’t matter if it wasn’t. There was blood coming from Zimmerman’s nose and mouth.”

    Based on what – the photo from the cell phone? The paramedics did not state that there was blood coming from his mouth. The photo shows blood going from his nose to his mouth, but not coming out of his mouth. It is unclear, from the photo, whether the blood was coming out of his nose or whether he had a small wound on the tip of his nose. And even if he had blood coming from his nose and mouth, so what? All it proves is a bloody nose, and most bloody noses are not associated with broken noses.

    “There was damage to the back of zimmerman’s head.”

    Two tiny (less than 1 inch long) lacerations and a bruise.

    “This is physical evidence that supports the statement given by G Zimmerman.”

    No, it doesn’t. According to the testimony of Dr. Valerie Rao, it supports his falling against a sidewalk or other rough surface. That could have happened any number of ways, perhaps by him being shoved or slipping on the wet grass.

    “Witnesses heard and saw what they believed to be exactly what G Zimmerman stated and the forensic, physical evidence where t martin lay dead confirmed with expert testimony. I’m satisfied with the facts and the verdict.”

    No, they didn’t. Nobody saw Trayvon Martin bang zimmy’s head against the ground, on the concrete or elsewhere. Both the witnesses and the physical evidence support a view of an altercation that covered a wider area, with most of it occurring some distance from the T and not close to the sidewalk, not with zimmy being knocked down by the T and then having his head beat against the concrete until he shot Trayvon Martin, as he claimed. I’m satisfied that the facts do not fit zimmy’s description of the altercation.

  • gbpuzzler

    ” You’re a guest of a resident, in a gated community, you don’t think that’s perhaps a guy who lives here, a guy that might, at least complain to the HOA or managers if you attack him? You’re going to cop a racist attitude? That’s really what needs to be addressed.”

    At the moment in question, Martin saw zimmy as someone who might harm him. That took priority over the possibility that he might complain to the HOA or managers.

    And the words that you keep making a big deal about were said to a friend, over the phone, not to zimmy, and with the expectation (correct, as far as we know) that zimmy wouldn’t hear them, since he was in a truck with the windows rolled up.

  • gbpuzzler

    “”Creepy 4$$ cracker”! Got that? “Creepy 4$$ cracker!” Not creepy guy! Not someone you don’t know what he wants! He’s never seen you! You’re a guest!”

    And this person has been following you around for no apparent reason, and wouldn’t explain why when asked. Is this how you would expect someone to treat the guest of a fellow resident?

    It’s really strange that you make such a big deal of these words, spoken on the phone to a friend when the person being described was unable to hear, and you totally ignore some of the more important parts of Rachel Jeantel’s testimony. The fact that he ran away from Zimmerman after saying those words, The fact that he had no intention of getting into a fight. The fact that the last words she heard him saying before the call dropped were “Get off, get off!”, implying that Zimmerman may have grabbed him or in some other way started a physical confrontation.

    “George Zimmerman called the police because there’d been a rash of crime on his gated community and he noted an unescorted stranger on it.”

    A rash of crime – as in one home robbery and half a dozen calls from Zimmerman of suspicious people walking or driving in the neighborhood?

    “If I were to get any attitude from a friend or acquaintance of one of my family, he’s going to get it from me. Visitors in my home know, because my relatives respect me, to let a visitor, in my home, on my grounds, where I pay to dwell, what time it is and he knows that if I get grief from anybody about any of his guests that I will make an unfriendly visit on him about it. ”

    Are you also going to shoot them if there attitude doesn’t improve sufficiently to meet your standards?

    Trayvon Martin wasn’t showing Zimmerman attitude. He was making comments while talking on the phone to a friend. Just like Zimmerman was making comments about Martin while talking on the phone to the police dispatcher.

    And it’s wasn’t up to Zimmerman to decide what visitors other residents were allowed to have and whether those visitors were allowed to be on the common grounds. The rights of other residents should have been equal to Zimmerman’s. Get it?

  • gbpuzzler

    “”Creepy 4$$ cracker”! Got that? “Creepy 4$$ cracker!” Not creepy guy! Not someone you don’t know what he wants! He’s never seen you! You’re a guest!”

    Well, if Zimmerman had never seen Trayvon Martin, then Martin had never seen Zimmerman either. So how would he know that he was a resident or what he wanted?

    “If I were to get any attitude from a friend or acquaintance of one of my family, he’s going to get it from me. Visitors in my home know, because my relatives respect me, to let a visitor, in my home, on my grounds, where I pay to dwell, what time it is and he knows that if I get grief from anybody about any of his guests that I will make an unfriendly visit on him about it. Therefor, his friends and acquaintances know not to think of me as the creepy anything when they visit and not to disrespect, confront, defy and certainly not to attack anybody that does live here.”

    With the big deal that you made about what Martin said, you act as though that alone was reason to shoot and kill him. Even if Martin had said it out loud to his face, instead of over the phone to a friend when Zimmerman wouldn’t even hear him, it would come nowhere near being a good reason to shoot him! So actually, it isn’t relevant.

    And if a neighbor or their guests gets an unfriendly visit from you in which you rant and rave as much as you are doing about Martin’s comments, because they made comment about you to someone else, then very likely they would think of you as a creepy something-or-other, although they might be too afraid of you to say so to your face.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Yes! Educating! You insult incessantly and you feel insulted when your fantasies turn out to be just that, fantasies based on your own learning disability that is factually emotional and race based! Prove that wrong! You argue off the point.

    George Zimmerman was the most hated man in America because of racists like you and your propaganda ministry that had him tried and convicted with the same irrational claims you make.

    The federal government sent in the state’s big guns to try to strong-arm an unethical guilty verdict. Jurors were “liking” crap like, ‘justice for tryvon’. Everybody, including wing-nuts like you were trying to convict him without any evidence whatsoever to suggest anything but what the verdict turned out to be.

    If you feel insulted. You need some insult therapy because you’re out of reality! You have no relationship whatsoever with reality and you need help to shake this destructive obsession, this addiction to irrationality, to incessantly argue against fact against a settled case in which jurors were so prejudiced that they admitted that they ‘wanted to convict George Zimmerman of something.’

    You and they are haters and the only difference between them and you is they had a responsibility to get it right, no matter what. You have no responsibility and you have only a single minded goal to get somebody to agree with you that your fantasy is real. Bad news! It’s not! You’re still wrong.

    The state and the propaganda ministry (the media) had Zimmerman tried and convicted, made him out to be a white racist, neither of which was true.

    As for whether the martins were residents or registered guests, go to the first interview with the complex. they had no idea who the martins were but refused to give rental documents the Tracy Martin’s “girlfriend”, “fiancee’” or whatever she was called on what occasion. You argue off the point hoping that some point will give your fantasy credibility. It doesn’t. You just keep arguing off the point to argue.

    Here’s a fact. You’re an 4$$#0L3! Period, plain and simple. You won’t call a man by his name, either first or last. You call him “zimmy”, as if he’s somehting less than a man. You call martin by his first name, as if you’re intimate with him. Did you know him? Do you know zimmerman, I mean zimmy? You’re and 4$$#0L3. You’re personally involved with the perpetrator. You cal him a victim. He’s not a victim and he was a thug!

    You’re a liar by saying that martin had no history of violence. Why do you think he was kicked out of school, had to go with his father on his booty call, couldn’t be trusted to stay at home during the daytime, when he wasn’t in school? don’t say that’s not a fact! It is! Stop arguing off the point because you’re 4$$damaged over being put straight.

    You refuse to accept facts that have resulted in a verdict, from an illegal, racist, political prosecution that didn’t stand the test of charging by a grand jury, that couldn’t withstand the charging by the local DA.

    Look who’s talking about lying? Martin was never expelled from school? OK! Got records? Prove it! You want to make this about semantics? Why was martin not home at his uncle’s house, where his mom sent him to live, in Miami Gardens and was instead on his father’s booty call’s couch? Answer that!

    Just because you say that ‘”zimmy” lied about many things’ doesn’t make it so. So have you! You lie to yourself.

    Tell me about what an upstanding citizen thuggy was. Tell me about how he was at his father’s booty call instead of school because he was on vacation or that he was at his new “home”, another lie. Tell me about the concoction he’d gone to 7 Eleven to get. Tell me about what a winning attitude thuggy had when he called “zimmy” a “creepy 4$$ cracker”. Did he really mean he was crackiing 4$$es? Make something up, like you’re known to do!

    Aren’t you the guy that likes to say “there’s no evidence”? Overwhelming evidence! Thuggy was a thug. Zimmy was resident, a neighborhood watch guy watching his neighborhood and you want to make something wrong with that. You’re wrong! The facts, the evidence and the testimony, even after the other 4$$#0L3s that testified changed their testimony, it was still clearly justifiable homicide, in self defense!

    Get over it! Live with it! Accept it! Believe it! Get help!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Nincompoop!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You know, that bull$#!+ you make up in your imagination doesn’t make thuggy any kind of fearful, just angry!

    Thuggy got himself killed! Period! End of story! If you don’t believe me, check out the verdict of a case that had no business going to court.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Mis-educated nincompoop!

  • gbpuzzler

    “If you feel insulted. You need some insult therapy because you’re out of reality!”

    I’ve never heard of insult therapy. What is it, something you invented? Does it consist of repeatedly insulting someone while denying that you are insulting them?

    “You won’t call a man by his name, either first or last. You call him “zimmy”, as if he’s somehting less than a man. You call martin by his first name, as if you’re intimate with him.”

    And my calling Trayvon Martin by his first name changes whether an argument is true or false? Give me a break. And as for my nickname for Zimmerman, you had repeatedly refused to show either Trayvon Martin or his father the respect of capitalizing their names, so I figured that turnabout was fair play. And by the way, writing “t martin” does not distinguish between the two, since the father’s first name is Tracy.

    ” You’re personally involved with the perpetrator. You cal him a victim. He’s not a victim and he was a thug!”

    The encounter in question resulted in one person being shot to death and the other getting a few minor injuries. The person who was shot to death is the victim. Is that really so hard for you to accept? As for who was a thug, Martin had no reliably reported history of violence. Zimmerman had been arrested for pushing an undercover cop and had been fired from a job as a bouncer when a young woman was injured as the result of Zimmerman throwing her. So please explain to me why Martin should be characterized as a thug and Zimmerman shouldn’t.

    “You’re a liar by saying that martin had no history of violence. Why do you think he was kicked out of school, had to go with his father on his booty call, couldn’t be trusted to stay at home during the daytime, when he wasn’t in school? don’t say that’s not a fact! It is!”

    He was suspended from school for writing on a locker with a felt tip pen and for having a baggie containing traces of marijuana in his backpack. I have never claimed that he did nothing wrong. However, it was a 10-day suspension, not an expulsion, and neither offense involved violence.

    “Martin was never expelled from school? OK! Got records? Prove it! You want to make this about semantics? Why was martin not home at his uncle’s house, where his mom sent him to live, in Miami Gardens and was instead on his father’s booty call’s couch? Answer that!”

    Do you have records to prove that he was? It is not just a matter of semantics. A 10-day suspension is not a permanent expulsion.

    “Just because you say that ‘”zimmy” lied about many things’ doesn’t make it so. So have you! You lie to yourself.”

    I have pointed out several examples of Zimmerman’s lies. For instance, in the “reenactment”, he claimed that he got out of his car to look for an address, while the tape of his police call reveals that he had not been asked for an address at that point in time and that he answered in the affirmative when asked whether he was “following”.

    “Tell me about the concoction he’d gone to 7 Eleven to get.”

    The “concoction” that he went to get was a watermelon-flavored drink. He also got a package of Skittles. Nothing more than that.

  • gbpuzzler

    “George Zimmerman was the most hated man in America because of racists like you and your propaganda ministry that had him tried and convicted with the same irrational claims you make.”

    Oh, and of course, his own actions had nothing to do with it. What a crock. The shooting was 100% preventable and Fibsy Killerman was the one who could have prevented it.

    “Thuggy was a thug. Zimmy was resident, a neighborhood watch guy watching his neighborhood and you want to make something wrong with that.”

    Trayvon Martin was a high school student with a few discipline problems but no record of violence. Fibsy Killerman had a history of violent behavior. The point of Neighborhood Watch is to be attentive to problems and to call the police if you see something suspicious. Not to try to confront the person, and especially not to do so while carrying a loaded gun. Fibsy Killerman was following Neighborhood Watch guidelines when he first called the police, but as soon as he left his car he was doing the opposite of what a neighborhood watch guy should have been doing.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Thuggy got himself killed. His actions precipitated his demise and nothing you say changes that. Nothing changes the verdict. Nothing changes anything and your irrational race pimping only divides reasonable people from the hate based narrative you people drive!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Colossal
    nincompoop!

  • gbpuzzler

    Wrong, Fibsy KIllerman’s actions precipitated Trayvon Martin’s demise. Once Killerman decided to get out of his car and go looking for Martin, there may have been nothing that Martin could have done to prevent the outcome.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! See! You have an issue with cognitive dissonance. It’s been determined that thuggy attacked zimmy and zimmy defended himself. That’s not just me. That’s the verdict.

    Your unsubstantiated assertion is irrational. While the government, its party, its propaganda ministry and its mindless goons parrot a racist narrative based on divisive, faulty logic, if any logic at all, it’s been proven that thuggy attacked zimmy and zimmy defended himself.

    So, no, zimmy used reasonable, deadly force in self defense against a racist attack, a hate crime.

    You’re welcome!

    You should look into rational behavior therapy. It strips away emotion and encourages rational thinking, rational, factual self talk that is based in fact, not emotions like racism. It would allow you to look at the attack of the perpetrator, martin, whom I’ll call thuggy if you’ll call call him by his first name and zimmerman, whom you call out of his name and to whom you make baseless, unsubstantiated, irrational, unfounded accusations while defaming and calling out of his name, his sir name, “zimmy”. How’s that GeeBee, oh puzzled one?

    The fact is, you couldn’t be objective, factual or rational if you tried and you don’t try.

    Get help

  • Libertarian Soldier

    No! Not wrong! Factually, you are wrong! It’s been established that thug martin’s own actions precipitated his demise. It’s been litigated and proven that george zimmerman was accosted, attacked and that death or great bodily harm was imminent or being accomplished. therefor, Zimmerman acted in a way consistent with any reasonable man!

    That is the fact! That is the verdict and all the irrtional, unsubstantiated disinformation you so prolifically crap in the form of your piles of word turds will not change those facts or that verdict.

    I’m right and I can prove it. “Not guilty!” “Acquitted! All you have is a pile of baseless, unsubstantiated word turds and incessant misstatements meant to spread subterfuge.

    I’m right! I can prove it. You’re wrong and you haven’t done a thing but advance a racist, divisive opinion based on nothing but your own wish for it to be so. Doesn’t make it so; never will!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Insufferable nincompoop!

  • gbpuzzler

    No, it’s been determined that you believe that Trayvon Martin attacked Fibsy Killerman even though there is no evidence that this is what happened, only Killerman and his acolytes claiming that it is. The verdict doesn’t prove or disprove it either. It just proves that the jurors didn’t have enough evidence to prove the opposite, or didn’t understand what was needed to reach a guilty verdict.

    About that rational behavior therapy, maybe you should follow your own advice. You certainly need something to help you think rationally.

  • gbpuzzler

    Again, all the “Not Guilty” verdict proves is that the information that the jury received was not adequate to let them decide that Fibsy Killerman was guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, based on the legal criteria given for the crimes. It proves that guilt was not adequately shown, It does not prove anything about what Trayvon Martin did or didn’t do. That is a fact, and your claims to the contrary are irrational and unwarranted.

  • gbpuzzler

    Trayvon Martin ran away. That indicates that he was probably fearful. Fibsy Killerman killed him. Period. End of story.

  • gbpuzzler

    Screams the caricature.

  • gbpuzzler

    If you’re a dad, then heaven help your kids, growing up with your racist, hateful, irrational world in which up is down and black is white. I am very thankful that my Dad is very unlike you!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Psycho! You can’t just make $#!+ up to form your own narrative. Time for testimony is over and you weren’t even there. There is no evidence of this crap you make up and present as if it was fact.

    You’re insane!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Make up some more $#!+! That’s all you’re good for. You call me a racist! You’re probably white. You probably, because you’re a racist think I am too. You think my kids are white, not on their mother’s or their father’s side, dumb 4$$!

    You make faulty assumptions based on your own faulty logic, actually lack of logic, based on your own prejudicial beliefs.

    That’s why my kids kids don’t think it’s OK to racially profile a resident on his own grounds and would never dare call him a “creepy 4$$ cracker”, because they were raised well and all I can do is wonder whether your father did such aq crappy job of raising you or you’re just a racist psycho and no matter what your father did, that’s just how you turned out.

    Either way, there’s something wrong with you.

    It should be the end of the story buty you racist 4$$#0L3s won’t let it go!

    So, stop “helping us”. You make it harder for instances of real discrimination and real racism, real oppression!

    Thank you not at all for what you think is helpful! It’s not!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Hate spewing nincompoop!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You have it backwards, like everything else. You’re the racist! If you turned out like you did, there’s a reason your father is unlike me.

    You’re the racist! Never forget that. I’m tired of you hillbillies calling me a racist. You backward, upside down race baiting, race pimping clowns don’t know what I even look like and you want to call me a racist!

    Fantastic!

    You should read a couple of books by someone “like me” and this if from me, dedicated specifically to you:

    “Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed”, by Jason L. Riley and

    “Race Pimping: The Multi-Trillion Dollar Business of Liberalism”, by Kevin Jackson

    You should stop your race pimping, thinking you’re helping anybody! You’re not! You’re just being a race baiting race pimp! That’s you!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Loser 4$$ nincompoop!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Actually, wrong again! Jeez! You want to read crap into everything. You’re just bat$#!+ crazy! There’s nothing else that can be gleaned from your unaccountable bull$#!+ you squeeze from your 4$$, in lieu of a brain!

    You’re even agreeing with me by accident when you’re trying to be wrong. Factually, there was insufficient evidence not only to convict but to charge but they did it anyway. There was sufficient evidence to acquit when equal protection was withheld by this defendant, when the victim of a hate crime was forced to defend and to prove himself not guilty, under the presumption of guilt instead of the other way around.

    You’re backwards. The injustice in this case was done against the victim, the defendant who was not treated equally under the law because the race pimps were attempt to follow the false narrative of social justice, which is really injustice and unequal treatment.

    You 4$$#0L3s are crazy!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Irrelevant! Empty argument that doesn’t affect the facts.

    Prejudicial and argumentative to no point! Irrelevant! Brandy Green didn’t attack George Zimmerman and isn’t laying in a grave as a result. You make my point, over and over without understanding what it does to your irrelevant, convoluted piles of word turds.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That is no more stupid than your stuck on stupid series of irrelevant, un-useful, emotional, argumentative, to no end comments. How do you like it when it comes back? Oh, and I wasn’t even addressing you. I was addressing another stupid racist, race bating, race pimping dumb 4$$! You two should be butt buddies together!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Get over it, Psycho! I’m not going to tag team you with your butt buddy. Get help!

    Run along, now!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    That’s a flat lie! You’re not just a racist, you’re a lying racist! Both martins’ legal residence was in Miami Gardens. They were in Sanford for one week, not a day, not an hour and not a minute longer, visiting! Little thuggy had to be there because he was kicked out of school at home, as in home, in Miami Gardens because he couldn’t be left at home, in Miami Gardens, with his uncle!

    You’re not just delusional; you’re a bold faced liar.

    You need help!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You got one right because you don’t know how to punctuate!

    YOu’re right! “No martin was a residnet, period.” Not a single one!

  • gbpuzzler

    There was plenty of evidence to charge, and the prosecution might have been able to convict if they’d done a better job.

    “There was sufficient evidence to acquit when equal protection was withheld by this defendant…”

    Yes, Trayvon Martin was denied his protections by the defendant, George Zimmerman. He did not have the opportunity to defend himself for his real or imaginary alleged crimes.

    “when the victim of a hate crime was forced to defend and to prove himself not guilty, under the presumption of guilt instead of the other way around.”

    The victim of the crime was dead after being shot through the heart. “Presumption of innocence” did apply in the trial of George Zimmerman, and the fact that he was found Not Guilty, because he was not proved guilty proves it. And he was no victim.

  • gbpuzzler

    Zimmerman is the one who engaged in racial profiling. The defense actually admitted it indirectly, during the trial, but tried to make it seem justified. They took testimony from a young woman whose house had been entered and items stolen from it by two young back men while she stayed upstairs . The crime had been solved, and neither of the young men was Trayvon Martin. Yet this was presented as an appropriate reason for Zimmerman to have been suspicious of Martin. That’s called racial profiling!

    And I suppose that neither you or your kids ever, during a conversation with a friend, made derogatory comments about someone who wouldn’t have been able to hear you at the time – a stranger, an acquaintance, even an authority figure? If you claim that, I don’t believe you. The trash comments you have made about Martin prove otherwise.

    Martin had no way of knowing that the creepy stranger following him was a resident “on his own grounds”. You act as though this alone was an appropriate justification for shooting him, even though Zimmerman never heard him say it.

    My father did a great job of raising me, apparently much better than your father did of raising you. At least I haven’t been repeating vile filthy lies, stories that have no basis in fact and which are known to be false, about a dead kid.

  • gbpuzzler

    You’re right about one thing. I don’t believe that you’re black. If you were, I doubt that you’d be so indifferent to the unnecessary and unwarranted killing of a black teenager with no record of violent behavior, calling him a thug and his shooting justice, while showing an exaggerated concern for the violent bully who killed him. And it’s not likely that you would adopt “anyone who expresses even the slightest doubt that everything that George Zimmerman claimed about the incident in which he shot Trayvon Martin is completely and entirely true, or who expresses even the slightest doubt that everything that Zimmerman did that evening was absolutely the right thing to do” as your apparent working definition of racism.

    Just like I don’t believe that you’ve really attended law school because you misuse common legal terms and claim that Zimmerman’s acquittal proves that Martin was brutally beating him and banging his head against the pavement.

    And just out of curiosity, since you claim that you don’t think that highly of Zimmerman, why is it that you find it an unforgivable sin to express even the slightest doubt about the absolute truthfulness of his story(ies) about the Trayvon Martin shooting incident, or to even breathe that the things that Zimmerman did weren’t 100% the absolutely correct things to do?

  • Libertarian Soldier

    Psycho. You lie to yourself and everybody else.

  • Libertarian Soldier

    You’re a liar and a psychotic

  • gbpuzzler

    If you use your totally irrational, illogical, upside-down definition of racist that makes no sense at all, namely of someone who believes that it was not OK for someone who sees an unfamiliar black teenager walk through a townhome complex with residents from many ethnic groups to then get into a fight with the kid and to kill him when he fights back, then yes, I guess I’m a racist.

    “You should read a couple of books by someone “like me” and this if from me, dedicated specifically to you:”

    And you believe that these books will convince me that it was OK for Zimmerman to kill Trayvon Martin?

  • gbpuzzler

    “You have it backwards, like everything else. You’re the racist! If you turned out like you did, there’s a reason your father is unlike me.”

    So, you’re claiming that I affected the way that my father is, rather than the other way around? That’s what you said. Or do you have it backwards?

    Yes, my father is different than you. My father believes in forming a judgment about something based on finding out as much as he can about it. My father doesn’t go around calling people insulting names. My father didn’t go around getting into fights with people. My father understands that respect is something you earn, not something that you demand.