We’ve all heard about jumping “down the rabbit hole” when searching for the truth, but let’s talk about “The Other Side Of The Rabbit Hole.” We don’t want to exit the same way we entered the rabbit hole, lest we find ourselves in the same ignorant condition. So, we must find our way through to the other side of the rabbit hole–a place where we can find the light of day again. On this musical episode of The Axiom Amnesia Theory, Heit & Cheri explore the “other side” of many different types of rabbit holes–everything from romantic and economic relationships to the broader truth about the world around us.

You’ll hear songs by Z-Ro, Leela James, Fat Chino ft Richo & Gus, Tall Ships, EMPDY X Ed Greens ft Melissa Melodee, and Joss Stone.

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Segment 1

  • Discussion about the 10/19/2012 hearing in the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman case.
  • The judge ruled that Trayvon’s school records, as well as his social media records–both Twitter and Facebook can be subpoenaed. Twitter and Facebook have objected to turning over these records. They have their own terms of use, and they don’t voluntarily give people’s information.
  • The judge ruled that George Zimmerman’s medical records will be turned over to the court, but how much will be public will be determined by the judge after review. The defense volunteered to disclose 30 days before the incident and 30 days after the incident, but the prosecution wants all records, so the court will decide how much will be granted.
  • The next hearing is October 26th at 1:30 p.m. Eastern, and another is scheduled for December 11th at 9 a.m. Eastern.
  • The reason that Trayvon Martin’s social media records and school records are supposedly being allowed is because in self defense cases the character of the victim comes into play as they try to determine whether Zimmerman acted in self defense or not.
  • This aspect of the case raises questions about what the long term implications could be. Will all of our tweets and Facebook stats be subject to our future court cases?
  • The last and final presidential debate will be held at 9 p.m. Eastern. The topic is foreign policy, and Heit & Cheri will be live blogging the debate at AxiomAmnesia.com.
  • Discussion about the candidates’ obsession with Big Bird, binders full of women, and debating who called the people who perpetrated the Libyan attacks a terrorist first.

Song 1: “Never Been” – Z-Ro

  • Heit has been listening to Z-Ro for over 10 years, and he loves his flow. This song talks about a lot of social issues, despite being controversial.
  • This song is from Z-Ro’s new album, “Angel Dust.” All of his recent albums have names of drugs–the claim being that his rapping and songs are addictive.
  • Cheri likes how Z-Ro always ends his songs by saying a few words after the music stops.
  • He references his mistrust of women in this song–really a mistrust of everyone. He constantly reminds us that he is solitary, on his own, and trusts nobody. He’s writing what he’s thinking at the time.
  • Heit & Cheri love Z-Ro’s flow, and the way he sings his raps.
  • Discussion about the lyrics where he talks about never “selling his soul” being the most important thing to him. This probably comes from his Christian foundation.
  • The emphasis on money and obtaining it was a drawback of this song. This is a sign that he has bought into capitalism, and it is the driving force behind the pursuit of money referenced in the song.
  • Discussion about the references to prison.
  • Z-Ro is not glorifying this lifestyle, but rather is telling his life story from his view. This is in contrast to other rappers who glorify a particular lifestyle.
  • Cheri likes the line where he talks about his breath being like a cool breeze, but her favorite line was about never selling out. She likes this because it is so easy to get caught up in the extra things that come with the success of one’s dreams.
  • A lot of people think that his music is depressing, but when you really stop to listen to him, he’s telling his life story. He has stayed true to himself by not talking about the shallow subjects from the same perspective of glorifying them. He could have been more successful if he had sold out to make songs just like today’s typical rapper, but he didn’t.
  • Discussion about great singers who sell themselves out in the process of wanting to become great. Leona Lewis is given as an example of this.
  • One of the differences between singers and rappers is that rappers are expected to write their lyrics and select their beats. Conversely, singers often rely heavily on producers and writers to create the finished product.
  • One of Heit’s favorite lines was, “I swear I’m half a man and half a machine–call me robot,” because of the play on his name with the word “robot.”
  • Discussion about the lines, “If looks could kill I’d die when they ride by, but ask ’em why they hate me and they don’t know why…”–another of Heit’s favorite lyrics. These words speak to the notion that sometimes people will dislike you for no real reason. Or, perhaps they know why they don’t like you, but don’t want to admit it.
  • It’s sad that sometimes people can’t just celebrate someone’s talent without all of the jealousy.
  • Z-Ro referenced being a man a lot throughout the song. This was interesting because of the whole notion of gender roles.
  • Discussion about the references to “bitches” and “hoes” in the song. Some people find the use of the language a turnoff, but this is the artist’s expression. This is how he views the world, and how can we look at that and discredit his view when it is his honest assessment?
  • In terms of the objection that children will be negatively affected by the music’s language, be sure to educate children so that they can make their own assessments. If you teach your children properly, they will be able to make the appropriate distinctions that Z-Ro is making in the song.
  • Discussion about what it sounds like when Z-Ro is in “the zone” and his flow is amazing. Heit says that he is gonna try singing his lyrics Z-Ro style.
  • Discussion about why people aren’t allowed to do what is natural and still be respected–like men in positions of power are expected to pretend to be almost asexual just because they are in charge.
  • Discussion about male and female sexual stereotypes.
  • Discussion about how women are expected to be either smart or sexy, but never both simultaneously.

Song 2: “Tell Me You Love Me” – Leela James

I unpacked my chest for you
Do everything that you want me to
Can’t believe I gave you all my love
What in the world was I thinkin’ of?

I just let it all slip away
With every minute, hour of the day
And if it really meant to be, just share with me
Why do I still feel incomplete?

Tell me, yeah
I need to know, baby
I got to know
Tell me, yeah
Tell me that you love me

If I give you what you need
Would you do the same thing for me?
‘Cause I don’t want to be alone
I want you here all night long

‘Cause when you leave me, baby
I’m thinkin’ about you always
I’m ashamed to say
How much I want you to stay

Baby, tell me, yeah
I need to know
Say it now
I got to know
Tell me that you love me

Now you see
I’m not tryin’ to make a big fuss over this
But I’m just sayin’, you need to let me know how you feel sometimes
Say it, it’s not wrong, expressing yourself?
That’s what wo- women like that, you know what I’m sayin’?
You know, you got to tap into your romantic side
Shoot, return the love, baby, return the love

I need to know, I want to know
I need to know, I want to know
I need to know, I want to know

I need to know, yeah baby
I got to know, oh, tell me
Tell me that you love me, love me, love me, love me
That you love me, love me, love me, love me

  • This song has a really old school sound.
  • Discussion about why the woman in the song wants to hear her man tell her that he loves her.
  • It seems like the divide about verbalizing feelings tends to follow the gender lines. Often it’s the women who want the man to actually show and say that he loves her.
  • Shouldn’t the actions show how he feels though? Absolutely, but many people have the need to hear the words said, in addition to the actions showing it.
  • There should be compromise between people when they are trying to resolve issues about personal preferences.
  • Heit & Cheri’s favorite words were:

    ‘Cause when you leave me, baby
    I’m thinkin’ about you always
    I’m ashamed to say
    How much I want you to stay

  • Heit liked these words because it questions the idea of obsession and subsequent embarrassment, along with the fear that the “I love you” won’t come. Cheri liked these lines because it speaks to how difficult it can be to express the deepest of emotions to someone you care about.
  • Perhaps the woman should understand how difficult it might be for the guy to communicate that he loves her.
  • Even if the love is not verbalized, the person should know that they are loved. If they don’t know, then this points to other potential issues.
  • Discussion about the possibility that the man or woman who hasn’t verbalized love might not actually feel that way. It’s possible to act as if you love a person and not love them, just like it is possible to say you love a person without actually loving them.
  • Discussion of the lyrics “I just let it all slip away.” It is unclear why she says this in the context of the song. Did she mess up in the relationship? Perhaps the song is not referencing just one situation.
  • Discussion about the lines:

    Can’t believe I gave you all my love
    What in the world was I thinkin’ of?

  • Heit thinks that this is clearly referencing sex, while Cheri feels that this isn’t necessarily the case. She could just be talking about opening herself to love him fully.
  • Discussion about women who claim to be “in love” after sex and the man who is not there yet to be able to say that he loves her.
  • Perhaps the song was left open to be very broad to fit a number of different situations.
  • Discussion about Leela James’ voice talking versus her singing voice–big contrast!

Song 3: “I Tried Everything” – Fat Chino ft Richo & Gus

  • Heit explains how he knows Fat Chino and Richo personally. Heit has had this song in his head because it has such a great hook. This song could have been great with just a hook too!
  • Gus’s voice is just powerful and emotional on the hook.
  • Heit’s favorite line was where he mentions that the woman probably won’t feel the same when she hears the song. Sounds like he may not have broken the news to her yet.
  • Discussion about whether the fellas in this song really “tried everything” to make it work in these situations. The “I tried everything” is interpreted differently by each artist on the song.
  • In one verse the man is giving up on the woman, and in another verse he is saying he tried everything, but the street life is what was messing up their relationship.
  • Discussion about the part of the song where Fat Chino says that the woman who he has been with slept with her “baby daddy.” He was taking care of the woman and her children with someone else, yet this is the man she chooses to cheat on him with.
  • People always say they tried everything, but we know that this isn’t always true. Bottom line is that life is too short not to be with the person you want to be with.
  • Discussion about the skit in the middle of the video. It is so annoying when they stop the music in the middle of the video to have a skit. At least play the music through during the skit.
  • Discussion about different peoples’ perspective or view of a situation. Sometimes people will never see things the same way. Thus, it might be best to do what you can to move past it so that it doesn’t ruin the relationship.
  • Heit & Cheri will see about doing a reply song to this song.

Song 4: “Ode to Ancestors” – Tall Ships

As you lay there beside me I can’t help but wonder about
How something like you could come into being
A link in a long chain you remain tethered to our history
We know nothing about before which I know I’m thankful
Because within you every particle is perfect
And your beating heart the sum of many working parts

You are a triumph of natural selection
Every mutation leading to your perfection
And I’ll try and I’ll try and I’ll try and I’ll try and I’ll try and I’ll try

This is my ode to your ancestors
Appreciate your recipe, their million year masterpiece

So I try

  • This song is awesomely bizarre. It has great lyrics and great music. The music is what first attracted Heit to this song.
  • This song doesn’t have a lot of lyrics, but these few words are deep and powerful.
  • Heit & Cheri’s favorite lines were, “You are a triumph of natural selection. Every mutation leading to your perfection.”
  • These lyrics summarize the beauty of natural selection, evolution, and what some perceive as human imperfections.
  • The people who say “Nobody’s perfect” are dead wrong.
  • To suggest that we are flawed in any way is wrong. We are perfect and who we are supposed to be at any given moment.
  • The song says, “Because within you every particle is perfect, and your beating heart the sum of many working parts.” This ties these ideas together completely. If everything within you is perfect, how can you NOT be perfect?
  • When we consider those who we consider to be exceptional, using conventional wisdom, these people are atypical and thus flawed. But, this is not true. We need to think differently about how we view perfection.
  • Discussion about the song’s title and the lines “This is my ode to your ancestor. Appreciate your recipe, their million year masterpiece.” Everything in the past adds up to who you are right now.
  • Discussion about how many different decision along the way would have made you different. For instance, if your great-great-great grandmother chose a different man with whom to have children, you wouldn’t be you.
  • This connects to the idea that all life is important–even the lives of the people who live in other countries and places in the world.
  • Discussion of the change up of the music in the middle of the song, and the harmonies that follow.

Song 5: “Just Amazing” – EMPDY X Ed Greens ft Melissa Melodee


  • These are British artists.
  • Melissa Melodee has a great voice, both rapping and singing.
  • Cheri’s favorite line was the reference to being “just a number on a sheet.” People are often times given no real value when it comes to the way that corporations view them.
  • Discussion of the line, “You’re not a worker, you’re amazing.” The comparison between being a “worker” and being “amazing.”–one is a noun, and the other word is an adjective. The implication is that being a worker is not being amazing.
  • Discussion about how people will often tell what they do for a living when they introduce themselves. Likewise, this is what people tend to ask about as well. The world wants to know what your categorization is.
  • Heit liked the previous lyrics mentioned and the lyrics that referenced the corelation between depending on them and control. This brings into play the idea of a monopoly and how you are sucked into the system. An example of the endless loop of saving Wall Street corporations is discussed.
  • Cheri disagrees with “Only care for the ones who have love for you.” Perhaps this should have been stated more explicitly, because the generalization here makes it where this statement (independent of the song) can’t stand alone–or shouldn’t stands as is alone.
  • This song reminds Heit & Cheri a lot of their song, “Human Resources”:


Song 6: “The High Road” – Joss Stone

We’re bound to wait all night
She’s bound to run amok
Invested enough in it anyhow
To each his own
The garden needs sorting out
She curls her lips on the bow
And I don’t know if I’m dead or not
To anyone
Come on and get the minimum
Before you open up your eyes
This army has so many heads
To analyze
Come on and get your overdose
Collect it at the borderline
And they want to get up in your head
‘Cause they know and so do I
“The high road is hard to find”
A detour in your new life
Tell all of your friends goodbye
The dawn to end all nights
That’s all we hoped it was
A break from the warfare in your house
To each his own
A soldier is bailing out
He curled his lips around the barrel

And I don’t know if the dead can talk
To anyone
Come on and get the minimum
Before you open up your eyes
This army has so many hands
Are you one of us
Come on and get your overdose
Collected at the borderline
And they want to get up in your head
In your head, in your head
‘Cause they know and so do I
“The high road is hard to find”
A detour in your new life
Tell all of your friends goodbye
Tell all of your friends goodbye
Tell ’em goodbye
Tell ’em goodbye
Tell ’em, tell ’em
It’s too late to change your mind
You let loss be your guide
It’s too late to change your mind
You let loss be your guide
It’s too late, too late, baby
To go and change your mind right now
Too late to change your mind
Too late to change your mind

  • Heit questions whether this song is about getting high on drugs.
  • Joss Stone is one of those singers who really sings and goes hard on every song. Discussion about how she had great vocal abilities at a very young age.
  • Cheri’s favorite part of the song was:
    The dawn to end all nights
    That’s all we hoped it was
    A break from the warfare in your house
    To each his own
    A soldier is bailing out
    He curled his lips around the barrel
  • Cheri interprets this as meaning that the hope they had of the end of conflict was gone, so the soldier decided to commit suicide. Heit interprets this section to imply that death itself could be the “dawn” or the new day that they have been looking for, and in the lines after that she recognizes the possibility that there is nothing after death.
  • The minimum is the status quo in life pursuits, but the overdose represents digging deep down to see what is beneath the surface.
  • The reference to the “borderline” is that point right before you jump down into the “rabbit hole.”
  • Discussion about the “high road” being the “right way” or the opposite of the easy way when it comes to making difficult assessments.
  • Heit’s favorite line was “Tell all your friends goodbye.” Once you choose the high road, your friends will undoubtedly look at you differently as you travel this new road. Mention of the quote that says something like “I didn’t change, I just grew.”
  • Friends will fall away when you decided to change your lifestyle away from things that you enjoyed together. The only alternatives are to pretend or to be yourself. That is the choice.
  • Discussion about how even those who are related to you may not have the same outlook and lifestyle as you. You must be prepared to accept this as you take the trip into the rabbit hole.
  • Discussion of the line “You let loss be your guide.” Cheri feels that it points to expecting the consequences of the decision to go down the rabbit hole–it’s the confirmation that you’re doing the right thing. And, you cannot change it because you’ve already passed the point of no return. You cannot change your mind because you have already chose to lose those things.

Segment 2

  • Discussion about Heit & Cheri’s album, “Improper Conduct.”
  • One of the songs that people have mentioned to Heit a lot is Underground Railroad, because it is like a negro spiritual. Heit sings the hook on it as well. Listen below:

  • Heit & Cheri will showcase the song, “Get Out The Vote,” on the next episode of the show, but you can listen to it here:

  • Please help to support Axiom Amnesia and independent media by listening to and buying Heit & Cheri’s debut album, “Improper Conduct”: